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This is the exact reason I don't like most platformers. I never realized it before, but that must be why I gravitate toward procedural games, multiplayer, and r

by gagege 7y ago

This is the exact reason I don't like most platformers. I never realized it before, but that must be why I gravitate toward procedural games, multiplayer, and rogue-likes. I totally relate to that guilty feeling. I like having to think on my feet, and never saw the point in memorizing a sequence of controls. It's like it ceases to be a game at that point!

ryandrake 7y ago
Same thing with fighting games. I liked to play Mortal Kobmbat as a kid, and I always approached it as a game where you anticipate, react, and adapt to your opponent. When I got further into the “MK culture” and met much better players, one of them explained to me: “You’re going about it all wrong. Fighting games like MK and SF are about memorization and executing patterns, not about strategy.” The best players basically memorized the combos and could pull them off them consistently. Indeed, future fighting games made these combos explicitly part of the game mechanics. Just for fun I tried one of the latest Tekkens, and the entire game is memorization of button sequences and playback. Yawn
- greiskul 7y ago
  Well, the combos are a part of the game, and to be a top player you need to know how to execute your characters combos. But for real competition, (at least for SF, and smash bros, never watched competitive MK), it really comes down into anticipating, reacting, and adapting to your opponent. You need to know what options your opponent has available to them, what are they likely to do, and how to properly react. You do need to memorize the timings of attacks, but the game becomes sort of a fast paced unbalanced rock papers scissors. David Sirlin wrote lots of articles and even a book about competitive gaming in general, specially fighting games, explaining concepts like this. It's just that some games have this strange curve in the learning curve, for instance Starcraft, where beginners think the game is all about strategy. But as you learn to play, you find out that it's more about macro, cause having more units normally beats any strategy. But then if both players have top notch macro, they have to begin doing tradeoffs in what they build, maybe cut some units to get a technology faster, or be greedier but more vulnerable for a while for a later payoff. In other words, the game becomes about strategy.
  - gagege 7y ago
    That's probably most non-casual games, I suppose.

by gagege 7y ago

ryandrake 7y ago

Same thing with fighting games. I liked to play Mortal Kobmbat as a kid, and I always approached it as a game where you anticipate, react, and adapt to your opponent. When I got further into the “MK culture” and met much better players, one of them explained to me: “You’re going about it all wrong. Fighting games like MK and SF are about memorization and executing patterns, not about strategy.” The best players basically memorized the combos and could pull them off them consistently. Indeed, future fighting games made these combos explicitly part of the game mechanics. Just for fun I tried one of the latest Tekkens, and the entire game is memorization of button sequences and playback. Yawn

greiskul 7y ago
Well, the combos are a part of the game, and to be a top player you need to know how to execute your characters combos. But for real competition, (at least for SF, and smash bros, never watched competitive MK), it really comes down into anticipating, reacting, and adapting to your opponent. You need to know what options your opponent has available to them, what are they likely to do, and how to properly react. You do need to memorize the timings of attacks, but the game becomes sort of a fast paced unbalanced rock papers scissors. David Sirlin wrote lots of articles and even a book about competitive gaming in general, specially fighting games, explaining concepts like this. It's just that some games have this strange curve in the learning curve, for instance Starcraft, where beginners think the game is all about strategy. But as you learn to play, you find out that it's more about macro, cause having more units normally beats any strategy. But then if both players have top notch macro, they have to begin doing tradeoffs in what they build, maybe cut some units to get a technology faster, or be greedier but more vulnerable for a while for a later payoff. In other words, the game becomes about strategy.
- gagege 7y ago
  That's probably most non-casual games, I suppose.