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The Tatar minority in Crimea, on the other hand, did not like the idea of being Russian subjects much at all. https://newrepublic.com/article/116814/crimean-t

The Tatar minority in Crimea, on the other hand, did not like the idea of being Russian subjects much at all. https://newrepublic.com/article/116814/crimean-tatars-primer-why-population-opposes-putin https://newrepublic.com/article/116814/crimean-tatars-primer...

Mikeb85 7y ago
So a minority should dictate international relations? A minority that aren't even indigenous and whose only history of statehood was being a vassal of the Ottomans that captured and sold Slavs as slaves... Why should they dictate what happens between Ukraine or Russia?
- inlined 7y ago
  The US has a lot of people whose history of statehood traces back to slavery. They still get a right to vote on their future.
  - Mikeb85 7y ago
    Yes, they do. But the Crimean Tatars are what, 15% at most? Some people are acting like they should decide for everyone. More than 15% of Ukrainians opposed Maidan (including Crimeans). Yet they were subjected to it.
    - vasili111 7y ago
      No one from people not Ukrainians, not Tatars and not Russians had option to decide there future during the occupation process. There were just occupied by Russian military. It was military operation not decision of local population. And also yes minority have there rights.
vasili111 7y ago
I do not understand why that message was down voted. Tatars are really the oldest owner of Crimea and they do not support Russia. They remember many bad from Russia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tat... And now too nobody asked them if they want to be part of Russia or not. Crimea is occupated and this is reality. All other talks about how much Crimea is more Russian sounds like a Russian propaganda.
- bitcurious 7y ago
  The Greeks were around a for a millenia prior to the tatars, the majority were resettled to modern day Ukraine under the Russian Empire.
  - vasili111 7y ago
    >The Greeks were around a for a millenia prior to the tatars, the majority were resettled to modern day Ukraine under the Russian Empire. Oldest that are living in that territory. No Greeks at the moment at Crimea: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Crimea#Ethnicities_and_languages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Crimea#Ethnici...
- filoleg 7y ago
  Semi-related (not trying to detract from your point): interestingly enough, there is a whole Tatar state within Russia that many people might not be aware of (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatarstan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatarstan). >Crimea is occupated and this is reality. All other talks about how much Crimea is more Russian sounds like a Russian propaganda. While I am very opposed to the capture of Crimea by RF, I feel you are being disingenuous when you say that. According to the latest census, russians make up 67.9% of Crimean population, while tatars make up just 12.6% [1]. Those numbers seem to support the point that Crimea is indeed majority russian, with tatars being outnumbered by almost a factor of 6. 1.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Crimea#Ethnicities_and_languages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Crimea#Ethnici...
  - vasili111 7y ago
    >Semi-related (not trying to detract from your point): interestingly enough, there is a whole Tatar state within Russia that many people might not be aware of (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatarstan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatarstan). Tatars from Tatarstan and Tatars from Crimea share only name, they are different nationalities. >While I am very opposed to the capture of Crimea by RF, I feel you are being disingenuous when you say that. According to the latest census, russians make up 67.9% of Crimean population, while tatars make up just 12.6% [1]. Those numbers seem to support the point that Crimea is indeed majority russian, with tatars being outnumbered by almost a factor of 6. This logic is totally misleading. If there are more Russians it does not make Crimea Russian.

Mikeb85 7y ago

So a minority should dictate international relations? A minority that aren't even indigenous and whose only history of statehood was being a vassal of the Ottomans that captured and sold Slavs as slaves... Why should they dictate what happens between Ukraine or Russia?

inlined 7y ago
The US has a lot of people whose history of statehood traces back to slavery. They still get a right to vote on their future.
- Mikeb85 7y ago
  Yes, they do. But the Crimean Tatars are what, 15% at most? Some people are acting like they should decide for everyone. More than 15% of Ukrainians opposed Maidan (including Crimeans). Yet they were subjected to it.
  - vasili111 7y ago
    No one from people not Ukrainians, not Tatars and not Russians had option to decide there future during the occupation process. There were just occupied by Russian military. It was military operation not decision of local population. And also yes minority have there rights.

vasili111 7y ago

I do not understand why that message was down voted. Tatars are really the oldest owner of Crimea and they do not support Russia. They remember many bad from Russia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tat... And now too nobody asked them if they want to be part of Russia or not. Crimea is occupated and this is reality. All other talks about how much Crimea is more Russian sounds like a Russian propaganda.

bitcurious 7y ago
The Greeks were around a for a millenia prior to the tatars, the majority were resettled to modern day Ukraine under the Russian Empire.
- vasili111 7y ago
  >The Greeks were around a for a millenia prior to the tatars, the majority were resettled to modern day Ukraine under the Russian Empire. Oldest that are living in that territory. No Greeks at the moment at Crimea: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Crimea#Ethnicities_and_languages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Crimea#Ethnici...
filoleg 7y ago
Semi-related (not trying to detract from your point): interestingly enough, there is a whole Tatar state within Russia that many people might not be aware of (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatarstan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatarstan). >Crimea is occupated and this is reality. All other talks about how much Crimea is more Russian sounds like a Russian propaganda. While I am very opposed to the capture of Crimea by RF, I feel you are being disingenuous when you say that. According to the latest census, russians make up 67.9% of Crimean population, while tatars make up just 12.6% [1]. Those numbers seem to support the point that Crimea is indeed majority russian, with tatars being outnumbered by almost a factor of 6. 1.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Crimea#Ethnicities_and_languages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Crimea#Ethnici...
- vasili111 7y ago
  >Semi-related (not trying to detract from your point): interestingly enough, there is a whole Tatar state within Russia that many people might not be aware of (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatarstan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatarstan). Tatars from Tatarstan and Tatars from Crimea share only name, they are different nationalities. >While I am very opposed to the capture of Crimea by RF, I feel you are being disingenuous when you say that. According to the latest census, russians make up 67.9% of Crimean population, while tatars make up just 12.6% [1]. Those numbers seem to support the point that Crimea is indeed majority russian, with tatars being outnumbered by almost a factor of 6. This logic is totally misleading. If there are more Russians it does not make Crimea Russian.