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First thought: who the hell would be interested to read thousands of lines of discussions like how to name a field in REST response or notifications of someone

First thought: who the hell would be interested to read thousands of lines of discussions like how to name a field in REST response or notifications of someone making a build xD

ppcdeveloper 7y ago
lololololol
madeofpalk 7y ago
I'm sure the Gawker employees thought the same thing, until their chat logs were brought up in court http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/03/what-hulk-hogan-taught-me-about-slack.html http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/03/what-hulk-hogan-taugh... https://splinternews.com/the-gawker-hulk-hogan-trial-and-the-horror-of-work-chat-1793855252 https://splinternews.com/the-gawker-hulk-hogan-trial-and-the...
- mapcars 7y ago
  The nature of those discussions is quite different. I'm making jokes about our API, not world-known wrestler :)
  - scotu 7y ago
    wait until you are discussing how you should implement that api this way, similar to how it's in java, and then oracle comes at you :D
ken 7y ago
Netscape, 1998: "And I keep thinking to myself, Microsoft is going to pay some jackass lawyer $200 and hour to find out that we hate our cafeteria food, don't like the security posters, had a sucky newsfeed, and think ``Navigator'' was a cooler name than ``Communicator''." [1] Just because you don't think you have anything interesting doesn't mean a competitor isn't going to subpoena it years later. [1] https://www.jwz.org/gruntle/rbarip.html https://www.jwz.org/gruntle/rbarip.html
- efficax 7y ago
  jwz uses referrer detection to show something... interesting to the ycombinator cult, just fyi
  - tomglynch 7y ago
    That is very funny!
  - bdcravens 7y ago
    lol yeah, opening link in Incognito bypasses that.
  - PhasmaFelis 7y ago
    How amusingly childish! Edit: That was before I read the article. He rants, with apparent sincerity, about the politically correct losers who thought that having an official, internal anything-goes-flamefest vent forum was a bad idea; describes how he went to great lengths to preserve it; finds out exactly why it really was a bad idea (it got subpoenaed so Microsoft could rake it for dirt); and then rants about that. At no point does he show any awareness of the irony. What a guy.
Cthulhu_ 7y ago
Nobody, but it's not about that. It's about trade secrets, access keys for e.g. AWS, git; it's about private information that can be used for social engineering or extortion. If a malicious actor can take over someone's account they could do even more convincing social engineering and access confidential information. If you think "I have nothing to hide" you're lacking in imagination.
- Beldin 7y ago
  Note: Privacy is about consent, not about hiding.
mtgx 7y ago
A variation of this argument always seems to come up in discussions about privacy. Yes, 99.9% of what you do or say in your daily life is likely of no consequence. But every now and then you may do or say something that could be used against you, and someone who has many years worth of data collected on you can probably find quite a few such bits of info. Among all of your internet "transactions" probably less than 0.1% are with your bank, for instance (sending your credentials, etc). You want end-to-end encryption and good security to protect that 0.1% of your data, not for the other crap.
- caseysoftware 7y ago
  ^ This People rant about coworkers and managers, complain about their spouses, joke about doing something illegal/stupid, compare themselves (favorably or not!) against a competitor, and share the occasional off color story/picture with a friend. Should those things happen on corp systems/network? Most of them, no. Do they? Absolutely. When we do those things, we don't think about it because we all have the immediate context, feelings, and stress of the situation in addition to knowing the other person involved. If an opposing attorney or law enforcement reads it years later without the context and knowing the people, they can't interpret it the same way.
  - Beldin 7y ago
    > ^ This No. Privacy is not about your right to hide. It is about another's access to info about you, i.e. consent. "If you've got nothing to hide" is pure misdirection. It doesn't matter one bit why I won't allow you access to personal info. I do not owe you an explanation - if you want my data, you owe me one.
pjmorris 7y ago
Software engineering researchers :)
squeaky-clean 7y ago
grep -i "new iphone" apple_dump.txt
rhacker 7y ago
How about that time we had to discuss employee X's behavior. The sexualized commentary about employee V's nice boobs. The CEO arguing that employee M be kept because he's got leverage and we should let employee Z go instead. That discussion we had about the time a hacker got ahold of 4000 customer records but we paid them off to delete the records. I dunno, pretty much the stuff that can break a company into nothingness. (FYI those are not scenarios where I work)
scarejunba 7y ago
I sincerely do not believe that. Somewhere in there is a joke like "They trust me with their data. Suckers" - Mark Zuckerberg. An obviously tongue-in-cheek comment that can be interpreted in a different way. Lots of people believed what you did, but you only need to have said one thing.

First thought: who the hell would be interested to read thousands of lines of discussions like how to name a field in REST response or notifications of someone making a build xD

ppcdeveloper 7y ago

lololololol

madeofpalk 7y ago

I'm sure the Gawker employees thought the same thing, until their chat logs were brought up in court http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/03/what-hulk-hogan-taught-me-about-slack.html http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/03/what-hulk-hogan-taugh... https://splinternews.com/the-gawker-hulk-hogan-trial-and-the-horror-of-work-chat-1793855252 https://splinternews.com/the-gawker-hulk-hogan-trial-and-the...

mapcars 7y ago
The nature of those discussions is quite different. I'm making jokes about our API, not world-known wrestler :)
- scotu 7y ago
  wait until you are discussing how you should implement that api this way, similar to how it's in java, and then oracle comes at you :D

ken 7y ago

Netscape, 1998: "And I keep thinking to myself, Microsoft is going to pay some jackass lawyer $200 and hour to find out that we hate our cafeteria food, don't like the security posters, had a sucky newsfeed, and think ``Navigator'' was a cooler name than ``Communicator''." [1] Just because you don't think you have anything interesting doesn't mean a competitor isn't going to subpoena it years later. [1] https://www.jwz.org/gruntle/rbarip.html https://www.jwz.org/gruntle/rbarip.html

efficax 7y ago
jwz uses referrer detection to show something... interesting to the ycombinator cult, just fyi
- tomglynch 7y ago
  That is very funny!
- bdcravens 7y ago
  lol yeah, opening link in Incognito bypasses that.
- PhasmaFelis 7y ago
  How amusingly childish! Edit: That was before I read the article. He rants, with apparent sincerity, about the politically correct losers who thought that having an official, internal anything-goes-flamefest vent forum was a bad idea; describes how he went to great lengths to preserve it; finds out exactly why it really was a bad idea (it got subpoenaed so Microsoft could rake it for dirt); and then rants about that. At no point does he show any awareness of the irony. What a guy.

Cthulhu_ 7y ago

Nobody, but it's not about that. It's about trade secrets, access keys for e.g. AWS, git; it's about private information that can be used for social engineering or extortion. If a malicious actor can take over someone's account they could do even more convincing social engineering and access confidential information. If you think "I have nothing to hide" you're lacking in imagination.

Beldin 7y ago
Note: Privacy is about consent, not about hiding.

mtgx 7y ago

A variation of this argument always seems to come up in discussions about privacy. Yes, 99.9% of what you do or say in your daily life is likely of no consequence. But every now and then you may do or say something that could be used against you, and someone who has many years worth of data collected on you can probably find quite a few such bits of info. Among all of your internet "transactions" probably less than 0.1% are with your bank, for instance (sending your credentials, etc). You want end-to-end encryption and good security to protect that 0.1% of your data, not for the other crap.

caseysoftware 7y ago
^ This People rant about coworkers and managers, complain about their spouses, joke about doing something illegal/stupid, compare themselves (favorably or not!) against a competitor, and share the occasional off color story/picture with a friend. Should those things happen on corp systems/network? Most of them, no. Do they? Absolutely. When we do those things, we don't think about it because we all have the immediate context, feelings, and stress of the situation in addition to knowing the other person involved. If an opposing attorney or law enforcement reads it years later without the context and knowing the people, they can't interpret it the same way.
- Beldin 7y ago
  > ^ This No. Privacy is not about your right to hide. It is about another's access to info about you, i.e. consent. "If you've got nothing to hide" is pure misdirection. It doesn't matter one bit why I won't allow you access to personal info. I do not owe you an explanation - if you want my data, you owe me one.

pjmorris 7y ago

Software engineering researchers :)

squeaky-clean 7y ago

grep -i "new iphone" apple_dump.txt

rhacker 7y ago

How about that time we had to discuss employee X's behavior. The sexualized commentary about employee V's nice boobs. The CEO arguing that employee M be kept because he's got leverage and we should let employee Z go instead. That discussion we had about the time a hacker got ahold of 4000 customer records but we paid them off to delete the records. I dunno, pretty much the stuff that can break a company into nothingness. (FYI those are not scenarios where I work)

scarejunba 7y ago

I sincerely do not believe that. Somewhere in there is a joke like "They trust me with their data. Suckers" - Mark Zuckerberg. An obviously tongue-in-cheek comment that can be interpreted in a different way. Lots of people believed what you did, but you only need to have said one thing.