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It's a bad article, I called it out on that. That is being done all the time. It is not an ideological battle, certainly not "clearly" so.

by s9w 7y ago

dang 7y ago
What I said was that you've clearly been using HN for ideological battle. That's clear from your comment history. It's not what this site is for—actually it's worse than that: it destroys what the site is for, i.e. intellectual curiosity. Therefore we have little choice but to ban accounts that do that, regardless of what flavor of ideology you favor.
- s9w 7y ago
  I don't deny that I usually selectively comment on things that hit a nerve - often that is when lies being told about things I know a lot about. Interpreting that as an ideological battle is a little far fetched, no? Many many users here comment exclusively on their agenda, and with much harsher words than mine. I have never seen any action taken against these. I don't even see a political angle here - genuinely so. If it were about other topics that go more in line with the HN community, this article would have been called a conspiracy theory. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20325213 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20325213 from today - same dubious quality of content, also being called out. If you say that my ideology is 'clear', I'm wondering what it is? I'm a huge proponent of free speech and not a fan of lies. That's mostly what I post and vote about. And I belief that is in the spirit of this site.
  - dang 7y ago
    I didn't say your ideology was clear. I said it's clear from your account history that you're using the site for ideological battle. That's the obvious conclusion when I see someone commenting about 8Chan, Gab, Voat, The_Donald, AOC, the Christchurch shooting, Fox vs. CNN, transgender in the military, Soros, and precious little else. This is not using the site for intellectual curiosity, HN's intended purpose; this is agenda driven. That's breaking the site guidelines regardless of what your agenda is. Please stop doing this. We don't want HN to be taken over by flamewars, and we ban accounts that are pushing it in that direction. There are other places on the internet for this sort of thing; please do it at one of those instead.
    - s9w 7y ago
      These topics usually aren't brought up by myself - most often I just reply to them. Is the problem that I'm mostly talking about these? I feel like a lot of people talk mostly about a limited amount of subjects. If I were to reply to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20334332 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20334332 - that would most likely get me into trouble? Even if the topic is clearly against the guidelines and I could give some reasons to why, and reply against the lies that are spread there? That thread is a shitshow compared to things I say, with the unwanted points being downvoted in seconds.
      - dang 7y ago
        Yes, the main problem is when an account is using the site primarily for political or ideological battle. Take a look at these explanations that I've posted in the past, and let me know if anything is still unclear. https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0&query=by:dang%20primarily%20test https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... If you know of other accounts doing that which we haven't asked to stop, it's likely that we haven't seen them.
0815test 7y ago
As a user here, your comment was clearly not up to the well-known standards of this site, and even this reply doesn't really help. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but I don't know how I could put it more politely than that. If you're going to comment here, you're expected to put at least a modicum of effort towards gratifying intellectual curiosity; whereas you literally aren't saying anything ITT that we couldn't easily expect the average 8chan denizen to say anyway! The fact that this all involves contentious, ideological etc. topics only makes it worse, because it's that much rarer that people will engage with these topics in a way that's appreciative and respectful of intellectual curiosity, especially if they're being flamed in the 8chan-like style.

It's a bad article, I called it out on that. That is being done all the time. It is not an ideological battle, certainly not "clearly" so.

by s9w 7y ago

It's a bad article, I called it out on that. That is being done all the time. It is not an ideological battle, certainly not "clearly" so.

dang 7y ago

What I said was that you've clearly been using HN for ideological battle. That's clear from your comment history. It's not what this site is for—actually it's worse than that: it destroys what the site is for, i.e. intellectual curiosity. Therefore we have little choice but to ban accounts that do that, regardless of what flavor of ideology you favor.

s9w 7y ago
I don't deny that I usually selectively comment on things that hit a nerve - often that is when lies being told about things I know a lot about. Interpreting that as an ideological battle is a little far fetched, no? Many many users here comment exclusively on their agenda, and with much harsher words than mine. I have never seen any action taken against these. I don't even see a political angle here - genuinely so. If it were about other topics that go more in line with the HN community, this article would have been called a conspiracy theory. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20325213 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20325213 from today - same dubious quality of content, also being called out. If you say that my ideology is 'clear', I'm wondering what it is? I'm a huge proponent of free speech and not a fan of lies. That's mostly what I post and vote about. And I belief that is in the spirit of this site.
- dang 7y ago
  I didn't say your ideology was clear. I said it's clear from your account history that you're using the site for ideological battle. That's the obvious conclusion when I see someone commenting about 8Chan, Gab, Voat, The_Donald, AOC, the Christchurch shooting, Fox vs. CNN, transgender in the military, Soros, and precious little else. This is not using the site for intellectual curiosity, HN's intended purpose; this is agenda driven. That's breaking the site guidelines regardless of what your agenda is. Please stop doing this. We don't want HN to be taken over by flamewars, and we ban accounts that are pushing it in that direction. There are other places on the internet for this sort of thing; please do it at one of those instead.
  - s9w 7y ago
    These topics usually aren't brought up by myself - most often I just reply to them. Is the problem that I'm mostly talking about these? I feel like a lot of people talk mostly about a limited amount of subjects. If I were to reply to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20334332 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20334332 - that would most likely get me into trouble? Even if the topic is clearly against the guidelines and I could give some reasons to why, and reply against the lies that are spread there? That thread is a shitshow compared to things I say, with the unwanted points being downvoted in seconds.
    - dang 7y ago
      Yes, the main problem is when an account is using the site primarily for political or ideological battle. Take a look at these explanations that I've posted in the past, and let me know if anything is still unclear. https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0&query=by:dang%20primarily%20test https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... If you know of other accounts doing that which we haven't asked to stop, it's likely that we haven't seen them.

0815test 7y ago

As a user here, your comment was clearly not up to the well-known standards of this site, and even this reply doesn't really help. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but I don't know how I could put it more politely than that. If you're going to comment here, you're expected to put at least a modicum of effort towards gratifying intellectual curiosity; whereas you literally aren't saying anything ITT that we couldn't easily expect the average 8chan denizen to say anyway! The fact that this all involves contentious, ideological etc. topics only makes it worse, because it's that much rarer that people will engage with these topics in a way that's appreciative and respectful of intellectual curiosity, especially if they're being flamed in the 8chan-like style.