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2 things I don’t understand: 1. If Ive has been on his way out for over a year ago (some say since 4) why is he so prominently featured in the design videos?

2 things I don’t understand: 1. If Ive has been on his way out for over a year ago (some say since 4) why is he so prominently featured in the design videos? Give a little room to the next guy, surely someone must have been in the pipeline for such a long departure. 2. If Ive have been practically absent all this time, working on the office rather than product, why will his actual departure turn things around with regards to product design?

BinaryIdiot 7y ago
1. It's great PR. Ive is very well known and liked outside of Apple (and probably inside, depending on who you worked with if we're to believe the article is correct). You're not wrong, though. They should have included more people to showcase as designers. 2. Yeah I agree, that doesn't make much sense. I've also seen a lot of places saying his departure will severely hurt Apple but he leads a team, he probably is rarely directly involved in anything anyway. I don't see how him leaving changes anything, honestly.
cmsj 7y ago
The WSJ article was so inconsistent in terms of which products are hitting/failing, whether Ive was absent or setting up new structures, whether the claimed failures are his fault or not, etc. For me, the real impact of Jony leaving, is what will happen to the other members of the design team. His team has been reported to have had very very little churn in the last couple of decades - with him leaving it seems likely that others will also look around. That will definitely have some kind of an effect - maybe for the worse, maybe for the better.
ninedays 7y ago
1. Because in most Apple videos, the product is the most important person in the room. Ive is a great storyteller when it comes to design (probably the best at Apple) so it makes sense that he is the one telling that story. Steve Jobs was by far the best keynote speaker at Apple so he did most of it himself. 2. Because the organisation is now structured with the design team reporting directly to Operations which is unusual as designers at Apple didn't use to report to anyone (except the CEO).

BinaryIdiot 7y ago

1. It's great PR. Ive is very well known and liked outside of Apple (and probably inside, depending on who you worked with if we're to believe the article is correct). You're not wrong, though. They should have included more people to showcase as designers. 2. Yeah I agree, that doesn't make much sense. I've also seen a lot of places saying his departure will severely hurt Apple but he leads a team, he probably is rarely directly involved in anything anyway. I don't see how him leaving changes anything, honestly.

cmsj 7y ago

The WSJ article was so inconsistent in terms of which products are hitting/failing, whether Ive was absent or setting up new structures, whether the claimed failures are his fault or not, etc. For me, the real impact of Jony leaving, is what will happen to the other members of the design team. His team has been reported to have had very very little churn in the last couple of decades - with him leaving it seems likely that others will also look around. That will definitely have some kind of an effect - maybe for the worse, maybe for the better.

ninedays 7y ago

1. Because in most Apple videos, the product is the most important person in the room. Ive is a great storyteller when it comes to design (probably the best at Apple) so it makes sense that he is the one telling that story. Steve Jobs was by far the best keynote speaker at Apple so he did most of it himself. 2. Because the organisation is now structured with the design team reporting directly to Operations which is unusual as designers at Apple didn't use to report to anyone (except the CEO).