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Self-Proclaimed Bitcoin Inventor Says Fortune Inaccessible

19 points by zone411 7y ago

ddtaylor 7y ago
Wright has produced faked signatures in the past in an attempt to trick people into thinking he was Satoshi: https://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/35060/how-is-the-base64-encoded-signature-in-craig-wrights-proof-constructed https://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/35060/how-is-the-...
- RedneckBob 7y ago
  "Your keys, your bitcoin". "Not your keys, not your bitcoin".
  - chillacy 7y ago
    > Emotional courtroom speeches Yea this guy is a fraudster and not a good one at that, show keys or gtfo, that’s all that should count.
- A2017U1 7y ago
  Everything he's said publicly flies in the face of what we know about Satoshi. The guy is a massive fraud and charlatan, yet it funds his lifestyle. The absolute state of the world where people like this can exist.
seibelj 7y ago
This guy is is a conman and trying to win both ways - “Yes, I invented Bitcoin even though I can’t provide any proof, and also I cannot access my $10 billion dollar fortune because I lost the key which subsequently would also prove I invented Bitcoin.” I know some very serious blockchain people who actually believe this guy is Satoshi and it boggles my mind.
- dx7tnt 7y ago
  "my wife and I think it's totally fine that I lost ten billion dollars" - said nobody's wife ever. I don't even a stake in bitcoin but this guy makes me angry every time he comes up. Such an obvious fraudster, shamelessly taking credit for someone else's work and invention. If I had to bet, I'd put my money on the real Satoshi being a state actor or group of programmers working in some baroque part of the banking industry. Hell, after reading cryptonomicon I'd even put my money on it being Neal Stephenson before I'd believe it was Craig Wright.
  - Veen 7y ago
    In the very early days of Bitcoin I mined ten or so and then lost the wallet when I, foolishly, wiped the PC it was on to sell. I'm still kicking myself about that. I can't imagine how much more foolish I'd feel if I'd lost $10 billion in a similar way.
    - LyndsySimon 7y ago
      I had ~22 BTC stolen from my MtGox account in the very early days. I didn't have 2FA enabled - I don't think they even supported it yet - and my password was a combination of dictionary words. It wasn't entirely trivial at the time, but it was on the order of a couple hundred bucks. I chalked it up as a cheap lesson learned on the value of good passwords and moved on with life.
      - ryanmercer 7y ago
        Traded 50 for WoW gold when it was effectively worthless. Sigh. Thought 'this is stupid, no one's ever going to use this for anything'.
        mrnobody_67 7y ago
        See - http://cdixon.org/2010/01/03/the-next-big-thing-will-start-out-looking-like-a-toy/ http://cdixon.org/2010/01/03/the-next-big-thing-will-start-o...
rmellow 7y ago
Non-paywalled alternative: https://www.coindesk.com/craig-wright-spars-with-kleiman-lawyers-in-combative-courtroom-appearance https://www.coindesk.com/craig-wright-spars-with-kleiman-law...
BubRoss 7y ago
I can't take anyone seriously who would believe this guy is actually satoshi. Even ignoring the iron clad evidence of private keys and public signatures, Satoshi wrote a lot of C++. I don't think this guy has ever demonstrated that he can program on that level. Beyond that, he has copied large parts of research papers, tried to fake old websites to make it seem like he was working on crypto currency many years ago, and has released even more nonsense in research papers. His end goal seems to be to get seed money and use it to patent as many crypto currency ideas as possible.
- jmkni 7y ago
  Didn’t he post a screenshot of a C++ Hello World program which ended up being identical to an online tutorial (including the comments)? Edit: https://toshitimes.com/craig-wright-proves-he-can-code-by-copy-pasting-hello-world-program/ https://toshitimes.com/craig-wright-proves-he-can-code-by-co...
- tim333 7y ago
  The bitcoin C++ seems mostly written by Satoshi and Hal Finney. I imagine Finney did most of the coding. Not that I think Wright had anything to do with it.
  - BubRoss 7y ago
    I don't know much about how it was split up originally, what are you basing that on?
    - tim333 7y ago
      Guess work but basically this (https://medium.com/@cypherpunk./so-you-are-saying-satoshi-is-nick-szabo-then-arent-you-86fb3ec2ad5f https://medium.com/@cypherpunk./so-you-are-saying-satoshi-is...) plus the fact that Finney was the professional C++ coder. I'm told the code is very professional. I don't know C++ myself.
dole 7y ago
I'm still wondering how BSV hasn't tanked both on the news that 98% of BSV's transactions come from a shitty weather app associated with it and Wright's constant antics. https://cointelegraph.com/news/98-of-bsv-transactions-used-for-writing-weather-data-on-blockchain-report https://cointelegraph.com/news/98-of-bsv-transactions-used-f...
hbosch 7y ago
> “My wife and I consider it’s too much money," Wright said. "I’ve got enough now… and we worry what that amount of money would do to the kids." Haha, so, this is a comedy.
vadym909 7y ago
I don't understand why no one that Satoshi collaborated with can ask him about stuff that only Satoshi would know. Isn't that the simplest way for both sides to prove it?
- pwinnski 7y ago
  The simplest way is for Satoshi to re-use a key known to be his. Wright cannot do so, because he is not Satoshi.

19 points by zone411 7y ago

Wright has produced faked signatures in the past in an attempt to trick people into thinking he was Satoshi: https://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/35060/how-is-the-base64-encoded-signature-in-craig-wrights-proof-constructed https://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/35060/how-is-the-...

RedneckBob 7y ago
"Your keys, your bitcoin". "Not your keys, not your bitcoin".
- chillacy 7y ago
  > Emotional courtroom speeches Yea this guy is a fraudster and not a good one at that, show keys or gtfo, that’s all that should count.
A2017U1 7y ago
Everything he's said publicly flies in the face of what we know about Satoshi. The guy is a massive fraud and charlatan, yet it funds his lifestyle. The absolute state of the world where people like this can exist.

seibelj 7y ago

This guy is is a conman and trying to win both ways - “Yes, I invented Bitcoin even though I can’t provide any proof, and also I cannot access my $10 billion dollar fortune because I lost the key which subsequently would also prove I invented Bitcoin.” I know some very serious blockchain people who actually believe this guy is Satoshi and it boggles my mind.

dx7tnt 7y ago
"my wife and I think it's totally fine that I lost ten billion dollars" - said nobody's wife ever. I don't even a stake in bitcoin but this guy makes me angry every time he comes up. Such an obvious fraudster, shamelessly taking credit for someone else's work and invention. If I had to bet, I'd put my money on the real Satoshi being a state actor or group of programmers working in some baroque part of the banking industry. Hell, after reading cryptonomicon I'd even put my money on it being Neal Stephenson before I'd believe it was Craig Wright.
- Veen 7y ago
  In the very early days of Bitcoin I mined ten or so and then lost the wallet when I, foolishly, wiped the PC it was on to sell. I'm still kicking myself about that. I can't imagine how much more foolish I'd feel if I'd lost $10 billion in a similar way.
  - LyndsySimon 7y ago
    I had ~22 BTC stolen from my MtGox account in the very early days. I didn't have 2FA enabled - I don't think they even supported it yet - and my password was a combination of dictionary words. It wasn't entirely trivial at the time, but it was on the order of a couple hundred bucks. I chalked it up as a cheap lesson learned on the value of good passwords and moved on with life.
    - ryanmercer 7y ago
      Traded 50 for WoW gold when it was effectively worthless. Sigh. Thought 'this is stupid, no one's ever going to use this for anything'.
      - mrnobody_67 7y ago
        See - http://cdixon.org/2010/01/03/the-next-big-thing-will-start-out-looking-like-a-toy/ http://cdixon.org/2010/01/03/the-next-big-thing-will-start-o...

rmellow 7y ago

Non-paywalled alternative: https://www.coindesk.com/craig-wright-spars-with-kleiman-lawyers-in-combative-courtroom-appearance https://www.coindesk.com/craig-wright-spars-with-kleiman-law...

BubRoss 7y ago

I can't take anyone seriously who would believe this guy is actually satoshi. Even ignoring the iron clad evidence of private keys and public signatures, Satoshi wrote a lot of C++. I don't think this guy has ever demonstrated that he can program on that level. Beyond that, he has copied large parts of research papers, tried to fake old websites to make it seem like he was working on crypto currency many years ago, and has released even more nonsense in research papers. His end goal seems to be to get seed money and use it to patent as many crypto currency ideas as possible.

jmkni 7y ago
Didn’t he post a screenshot of a C++ Hello World program which ended up being identical to an online tutorial (including the comments)? Edit: https://toshitimes.com/craig-wright-proves-he-can-code-by-copy-pasting-hello-world-program/ https://toshitimes.com/craig-wright-proves-he-can-code-by-co...
tim333 7y ago
The bitcoin C++ seems mostly written by Satoshi and Hal Finney. I imagine Finney did most of the coding. Not that I think Wright had anything to do with it.
- BubRoss 7y ago
  I don't know much about how it was split up originally, what are you basing that on?
  - tim333 7y ago
    Guess work but basically this (https://medium.com/@cypherpunk./so-you-are-saying-satoshi-is-nick-szabo-then-arent-you-86fb3ec2ad5f https://medium.com/@cypherpunk./so-you-are-saying-satoshi-is...) plus the fact that Finney was the professional C++ coder. I'm told the code is very professional. I don't know C++ myself.

dole 7y ago

I'm still wondering how BSV hasn't tanked both on the news that 98% of BSV's transactions come from a shitty weather app associated with it and Wright's constant antics. https://cointelegraph.com/news/98-of-bsv-transactions-used-for-writing-weather-data-on-blockchain-report https://cointelegraph.com/news/98-of-bsv-transactions-used-f...

hbosch 7y ago

> “My wife and I consider it’s too much money," Wright said. "I’ve got enough now… and we worry what that amount of money would do to the kids." Haha, so, this is a comedy.

vadym909 7y ago

I don't understand why no one that Satoshi collaborated with can ask him about stuff that only Satoshi would know. Isn't that the simplest way for both sides to prove it?

pwinnski 7y ago
The simplest way is for Satoshi to re-use a key known to be his. Wright cannot do so, because he is not Satoshi.