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Not sure what you expected with the pricing, Apple isn’t known for bargains.

by 6nf 7y ago

chrisweekly 7y ago
$12,000 is a little excessive.
- threeseed 7y ago
  It starts at $5999. And you should only be buying the monitor if you are after a reference quality display. In which case you would know how cheap it is.
  - frostburg 7y ago
    The base model is unfit for purpose for basically every possible buyer.
    - cmsj 7y ago
      I've argued that that's probably deliberate - everyone buying the new Pro ought to need a lot of something. For some people it'll be CPU, some people GPU, some people RAM, some storage, etc. The base model has a good enough CPU if all you need is loads of GPU, a good enough GPU if all you need is loads of CPU, etc, etc. tl;dr the only people who buy the base model will be the enthusiasts who just want a Mac Pro, and they are indeed getting a bad deal, but this machine isn't for them, however much they want it to be.
      - danieldk 7y ago
        I think the bottleneck for nearly everyone is the 256GB SSD, which is borderline insane for a $6000 machine. A 512GB or even 1TB SSD over 256GB is peanuts (well, unless you purchase the upgrade from Apple). 256GB does not store you a lot of RAW photos, video, or whatever Pros are editing with this machine.
        throwanem 7y ago
        Pros aren't using the drive in a machine as the authoritative storage for raw photos, videos, or whatever they're editing with that machine. Hell, I don't even do that, and I'm just a nerd with a couple of cameras.
        darkpuma 7y ago
        A couple year ago I started buying computers with the smallest hard-drives offered, because my primary storage is now on an NFS NAS across a VPN (if I'm not home.) Everything is in one place and the storage is cheaper. NFS thankfully works better on MacOS than it did a few years ago. Not a good configuration for everybody, but pretty good for me.
  - etangent 7y ago
    The amount of Apple shilling on this board is incredible. $5999 gets you a base configuration that is outperformed by any $2000 Dell.
    - geodel 7y ago
      Let me know which model of Dell support 1600 nits brightness.
      - chx 7y ago
        The Acer ProDesigner BM270 is 1700 USD and 1000 nits just as well... (1600 is not sustained on the Apple monitor.)
        threeseed 7y ago
        That monitor is 4K versus Apple's 6K. Pretty big difference.
  - kllrnohj 7y ago
    > And you should only be buying the monitor if you are after a reference quality display. In which case you would know how cheap it is. Apple's display specs are impressive but it's not actually going to compete with reference displays. It's missing all the actual reference display features (interlacing controls, SDI inputs, programmable LUT, info overlays, etc...). You can buy more products that add that, like this input box from Blackmagic: https://www.studiodaily.com/2019/06/blackmagic-caters-apple-pro-display-xdr-new-teranex-mini-converter/ https://www.studiodaily.com/2019/06/blackmagic-caters-apple-... But now the price is adding up and you've got more boxes and dongles to deal with. But out of the box the display itself is competing with high-end color accurate displays, the content creation displays. It's not competing at all with reference displays. All that said more relevant to this discussion is the fact that Apple doesn't have a cheaper display at all. If you want a workstation and you go to an Apple store the only monitor option they have is the Pro Display XDR, when all you may actually want or need is the display from an iMac just in a standalone case for use with the Mac Pro.

Not sure what you expected with the pricing, Apple isn’t known for bargains.

by 6nf 7y ago

Not sure what you expected with the pricing, Apple isn’t known for bargains.

chrisweekly 7y ago

$12,000 is a little excessive.

threeseed 7y ago
It starts at $5999. And you should only be buying the monitor if you are after a reference quality display. In which case you would know how cheap it is.
- frostburg 7y ago
  The base model is unfit for purpose for basically every possible buyer.
  - cmsj 7y ago
    I've argued that that's probably deliberate - everyone buying the new Pro ought to need a lot of something. For some people it'll be CPU, some people GPU, some people RAM, some storage, etc. The base model has a good enough CPU if all you need is loads of GPU, a good enough GPU if all you need is loads of CPU, etc, etc. tl;dr the only people who buy the base model will be the enthusiasts who just want a Mac Pro, and they are indeed getting a bad deal, but this machine isn't for them, however much they want it to be.
    - danieldk 7y ago
      I think the bottleneck for nearly everyone is the 256GB SSD, which is borderline insane for a $6000 machine. A 512GB or even 1TB SSD over 256GB is peanuts (well, unless you purchase the upgrade from Apple). 256GB does not store you a lot of RAW photos, video, or whatever Pros are editing with this machine.
      - throwanem 7y ago
        Pros aren't using the drive in a machine as the authoritative storage for raw photos, videos, or whatever they're editing with that machine. Hell, I don't even do that, and I'm just a nerd with a couple of cameras.
      - darkpuma 7y ago
        A couple year ago I started buying computers with the smallest hard-drives offered, because my primary storage is now on an NFS NAS across a VPN (if I'm not home.) Everything is in one place and the storage is cheaper. NFS thankfully works better on MacOS than it did a few years ago. Not a good configuration for everybody, but pretty good for me.
- etangent 7y ago
  The amount of Apple shilling on this board is incredible. $5999 gets you a base configuration that is outperformed by any $2000 Dell.
  - geodel 7y ago
    Let me know which model of Dell support 1600 nits brightness.
    - chx 7y ago
      The Acer ProDesigner BM270 is 1700 USD and 1000 nits just as well... (1600 is not sustained on the Apple monitor.)
      - threeseed 7y ago
        That monitor is 4K versus Apple's 6K. Pretty big difference.
- kllrnohj 7y ago
  > And you should only be buying the monitor if you are after a reference quality display. In which case you would know how cheap it is. Apple's display specs are impressive but it's not actually going to compete with reference displays. It's missing all the actual reference display features (interlacing controls, SDI inputs, programmable LUT, info overlays, etc...). You can buy more products that add that, like this input box from Blackmagic: https://www.studiodaily.com/2019/06/blackmagic-caters-apple-pro-display-xdr-new-teranex-mini-converter/ https://www.studiodaily.com/2019/06/blackmagic-caters-apple-... But now the price is adding up and you've got more boxes and dongles to deal with. But out of the box the display itself is competing with high-end color accurate displays, the content creation displays. It's not competing at all with reference displays. All that said more relevant to this discussion is the fact that Apple doesn't have a cheaper display at all. If you want a workstation and you go to an Apple store the only monitor option they have is the Pro Display XDR, when all you may actually want or need is the display from an iMac just in a standalone case for use with the Mac Pro.