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My heartburn with "people who want to come to this country to study advanced topics" is a bit more parochial. They're generally good people trying to improve th
by killjoywashere 7y ago
My heartburn with "people who want to come to this country to study advanced topics" is a bit more parochial. They're generally good people trying to improve themselves. Good for them.
My parochial issue is that people perform better in an environment they perceive as nurturing. When international applicants have a higher admissions rate than in-state applicants and non-California domestic applicants, it sends the signal to citizens of this country, and this state that our own universities, and thus our government, are deeply ambivalent about our success, or in my case, the success of my children. I understand this borders on a call for paternalism, but, ah, I'm a concerned parent.
Something dramatic happened in 2009 which caused in-state admission rates to drop by over 20 points while foreign admissions increased by 20 points. Ostensibly, the Academic Senate reduced the "guaranteed admission rate" for in-state high schools from the top 12.5% to the top 9%, and "widened the applicant pool". The observed effect on the campus population mix has been stunning. I can provide the graphs (I'll note the downvoters haven't asked for the data), or you can get the data yourself here (2) with a bit of querying (look all the way back to 1994 so you can see that we're not talking about recency bias spikes).
Interestingly, the reported "ethnicity" numbers omit the ethnicity of international students, just lumping them all into "international". Even more interesting is the counterfactual of who isn't crying foul about that. Generally, repressed minorities try to break out their numbers and the CCCP cries foul wherever they aren't winning (this is an observation about foreign policy behavior that dates back to the Korean War, not a comment on the Chinese people). But they aren't making much ruckus about the UC system. Nevertheless, it takes a hot second on campus to see that this international segment is primarily ethnic Chinese.
I'd be interested to see the financial portfolios of the folks who voted for this. One has to wonder what the UC Academic Senate's incentives are in supporting a de facto pro-China, anti-US agenda when you have reports like (3-10).
(1) https://www.sfgate.com/education/article/Regents-panel-OKs-big-change-in-UC-admissions-3252053.php https://www.sfgate.com/education/article/Regents-panel-OKs-b...
(2) https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/infocenter/admissions-residency-and-ethnicity https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/infocenter/admissions...
(3) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/30/political-pressure-before-arrest-of-chinese-dissident-london https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/30/political-pres...
(4) https://techcrunch.com/2010/01/12/google-china-attacks/ https://techcrunch.com/2010/01/12/google-china-attacks/
(5) https://www.nbcnews.com/news/china/education-or-espionage-chinese-student-takes-his-homework-home-china-n893881 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/china/education-or-espionage-ch...
(6) https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/07/chinas-long-arm-reaches-into-american-campuses-chinese-students-scholars-association-university-communist-party/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/07/chinas-long-arm-reaches...
(7) https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/11/asia/university-california-china-wechat-intl/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/11/asia/university-californi...
(8) https://www.wired.com/story/china-spy-recruitment-us/ https://www.wired.com/story/china-spy-recruitment-us/
(9) https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/01/politics/us-intelligence-chinese-student-espionage/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/01/politics/us-intelligence-...
(10) https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/25/china-uses-students-as-spies/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/25/china-uses-...
- yyhhsj0521 7y agoThey pay full tuition (which is a lot of money). U of Illinois even has an insurance that if the number of international students declines too much (so it gains significantly less money from tuition), it would get compensated by the insurance company.
- MegaButts 7y ago> U of Illinois even has an insurance that if the number of international students declines too much...it would get compensated by the insurance company. Whoa. I had no idea this was a thing. https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2018/11/29/university-illinois-insures-itself-against-possible-drop-chinese-enrollments https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2018/11/29/university-il...
- ethbro 7y agoYou can generally get insurance on anything, if you're large enough and the risk is somewhat quantifiable. The issue with abnormal insurance policies is that the buyer may have more knowledge about the actual risk than the insurance seller. I believe this has burned Lloyd's of London a few times on their more esoteric policies.
- killjoywashere 7y agoThis, again, has nothing to do with the fine students of Chinese extraction. This has everything to do with the wealthy, powerful, and connected people at the top of the UC system and California state government opting, in true dictatorial fashion, to suppress the education of their own populace (by making in-state access more difficult) in the pursuit of short term monetary gains (from those sweet full-tuition dollars you mention, and probably some other incentives that were discussed over steak dinners). And, indeed, overlooking the negative effects on their own economy and long-term welfare (via espionage, lost education, etc).