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"Rabin, the former software engineer, recalled one manager saying at an all-hands meeting that Boeing didn't need senior engineers because its products were mat

"Rabin, the former software engineer, recalled one manager saying at an all-hands meeting that Boeing didn't need senior engineers because its products were mature. "I was shocked that in a room full of a couple hundred mostly senior engineers we were being told that we weren't needed," said Rabin, who was laid off in 2015." WHAT-THE-FUCK-IS-THAT? I would get up, go to the managers, if they don't listen to me I would go to the CTO/CEO then explain why that's a huge mistake that may cost peoples lives. If they don't listen to me I would go anonymously to the police and explain the situation. If nothing is solved I would start writing heaps of posts about this and fuck what the companies would think about hiring me. The industry is fucked up and senior engineers don't have the FUCKING guts to speak their minds about unethical behaviour. It's your responsibly fellas, you are killing people for doing nothing about this. Who's next?!?!

heavenlyblue 7y ago
I find it amusing that engineers are supposed to be somehow responsible for the lack of morality in our corporations. It’s almost as if the lack of morality costs us less than the lack of revenue. Maybe it’s time to rethink the value system in the first place?
- JoeAltmaier 7y ago
  I think that anecdote was more about a failing of an Engineer to bring safety concerns to management (the necessity of senior employees to keep design safe). If true, definitely the fault of the Engineer.
  - heavenlyblue 7y ago
    But there's no political pressure to do so. There's no code that allows the engineer to say "no" and disable his management from going to the next engineer to say "yes" to that. Building codes don't allow for that. If your building is prone to collapsing, then nobody is going to sign off on that, because they will be liable.
    - shaftway 7y ago
      Which is probably what happened in this exact case. The senior engineers were being replaced with junior ones; exactly the kind of people who don't know to say "no".

heavenlyblue 7y ago

I find it amusing that engineers are supposed to be somehow responsible for the lack of morality in our corporations. It’s almost as if the lack of morality costs us less than the lack of revenue. Maybe it’s time to rethink the value system in the first place?

JoeAltmaier 7y ago
I think that anecdote was more about a failing of an Engineer to bring safety concerns to management (the necessity of senior employees to keep design safe). If true, definitely the fault of the Engineer.
- heavenlyblue 7y ago
  But there's no political pressure to do so. There's no code that allows the engineer to say "no" and disable his management from going to the next engineer to say "yes" to that. Building codes don't allow for that. If your building is prone to collapsing, then nobody is going to sign off on that, because they will be liable.
  - shaftway 7y ago
    Which is probably what happened in this exact case. The senior engineers were being replaced with junior ones; exactly the kind of people who don't know to say "no".