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That's not flamebait, it's the crux of the matter. It comes across as a dry description of reality to me. Apparently some people can't read it without thinking
by SamReidHughes 7y ago
That's not flamebait, it's the crux of the matter.
It comes across as a dry description of reality to me. Apparently some people can't read it without thinking it's some kind of knock against China.
- dang 7y agoIt can easily be both. In such a case the flamebait is the higher-order bit. Preserving the container here matters more than rightness or wrongness. Indeed, nothing will burn this place down faster than flaming rightness.
- SamReidHughes 7y agoI added more to my comment while you replied. The comment in question isn't flaming rightness at all.
- stcredzero 7y agoI'm of the same mind, that the statement is factual. It's even more valuable, because it's information which has the potential to alter mental models. I think dang's point in this thread should be interpreted as: "Such mental model breaking information around delicate subjects needs to be treated with the most care, precisely because it's the most valuable while it's the most likely to be lost to emotional jamming of the discourse."
- SamReidHughes 7y agoYeah. In particular the comment isn't denigrative of China at all. In fact, making opposite statements would arguably be more denigrative.
- permatech 7y agoYou make these sorts pro-China comments a lot. Why?
- dang 7y agoI haven't made any pro-China comments, only pro-HN comments. If they seemed pro-China, that's a reflection of your views, not mine.
- permatech 7y agoAny criticism of China is marked as flame bait.
- dang 7y agoThat's far from true. Your recent comments to HN have nearly all been using the site for ideological battle. We don't allow that, regardless of which ideology you're fighting for or against, because it destroys the intellectual curiosity HN exists for. Would you please stop now? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- permatech 7y agoGuess I’ll resign myself to free speech jail...
- dang 7y agoI took another look at your account history and got quite a jolt. You've been breaking the site guidelines flagrantly and frequently, including with nasty personal attacks. Since it's clear you don't want to use HN as intended, we've banned the account. If that changes at some point, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.
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- permatech 7y ago
- showdeadplease 7y agoContainers have little value as ends in and of themselves. Containers' purpose is to contain something of value. Of what value is wrongness? Thanks, Dan. It's nice to have a concise statement on record to the effect that HN would rather be wrong than be right and risk offending anyone. Truth is not a goal here.
- dang 7y ago"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html