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It's a mistake to focus on the particular issue like this. Trading away long-term process to get one short-term result is a bad trade. It doesn't much matter
by Sniffnoy 7y ago
It's a mistake to focus on the particular issue like this. Trading away long-term process to get one short-term result is a bad trade. It doesn't much matter how bad Fram was; the particular issue that started the matter is mostly irrelevant in the face of the breaking of process. Don't get blinded by the short-term issue. Don't make short-termist trades. Fram is an object-level, short-term issue; the WMF is a process-level, long-term one.
- DanBC 7y agoFram isn't a short term issue. There are countless arsehole editors who get away with being insufferable arseholes because they make many edits and because the admins turn a blind eye, and this has been happening for very many years. The inability of ANI and arbcom to do anything is the long running issue. They had their chance, they fucked it up, it's entirely unsurprising that WMF is enforcing the most basic wikipedia conventions.
- Sniffnoy 7y agoBy "short-term" vs "long-term" here, I'm not talking about how long something has been going on so far. I'm talking about how far into the future this will affect things. Breaking process so completely like this threatens long-term stability. It's not like "break process completely to ban Fram" and "just do nothing" were the only options. The WMF could have acted in a way other than in such a potentially disastrous way. If the process is producing wrong results (e.g. Fram should be banned but he isn't), you try to figure out why and make a better one, not just ignore it.