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I wonder how much effect immigration has had on the matter of inequality. I'm going off these assumptions: -> Lesser immigration would've led to a higher GDP/

by car12 7y ago

I wonder how much effect immigration has had on the matter of inequality. I'm going off these assumptions: -> Lesser immigration would've led to a higher GDP/capita figure for US. -> More resources to subsidize college and lesser cut-throat competition for jobs. -> Employers would be forced to pay higher wages and people would be more easily to retrain for different jobs. -> Bonus points: We can help Africa and South american countries with a much higher monetary amount and resources to help them catch up to a developed world status.

shdh 7y ago
> Employers would be forced to pay higher wages and people would be more easily to retrain for different jobs. Labor has long been subject to outsourcing as a result of entities trying to reduce costs and increase profits.
- car12 7y ago
  That is true but we're talking about the still remaining low skilled jobs that simply could not be outsourced. Now with a high number of low skilled immigrants competing with natives for those same remaining low skilled jobs that couldn't be outsourced, the outcome is worse for existing population.
  - downrightmike 7y ago
    There is also a trend where as much is outsourced as possible and what isn't outsourced is over tasked. I've seen outsourcing going from a direct replacement 1 to 1 to 3X the staff and the remaining non outsourced people have to basically be human databases and regurgitate info and critically think for this other group. Adding in constant instant message rooms that are mandatory to be logged into and constantly pinged is just insane. No employees win in this situation.
partha42 7y ago
> -> Lesser immigration would've led to a higher GDP/capita figure for US. How?
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pjc50 7y ago
Huge assumptions there. And some significant work has gone into investigating the first and found it's the other way round: https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/docserver/9789264288737-8-en.pdf?expires=1561925471&id=id&accname=guest&checksum=2A3252FE21068EDB1E66CE9EB3362356 https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/docserver/9789264288737-8-en.p... > We can help Africa and South american countries It would be a significant improvement if the US stopped "helping" South America. Allende would like a word.
- Kiro 7y ago
  The effect you're talking about is not instant. If you get a lot of asylum seekers in a short time your GDP/capita will take a hit until they've been integrated into society and become a net positive.
  - car12 7y ago
    And that period to get assimilated and become net positive might be a period of +- few decades which is an insanely long time in today's world of super fast moving money and economic conditions and 4 year hyper partisan election cycles.

by car12 7y ago

shdh 7y ago

> Employers would be forced to pay higher wages and people would be more easily to retrain for different jobs. Labor has long been subject to outsourcing as a result of entities trying to reduce costs and increase profits.

car12 7y ago
That is true but we're talking about the still remaining low skilled jobs that simply could not be outsourced. Now with a high number of low skilled immigrants competing with natives for those same remaining low skilled jobs that couldn't be outsourced, the outcome is worse for existing population.
- downrightmike 7y ago
  There is also a trend where as much is outsourced as possible and what isn't outsourced is over tasked. I've seen outsourcing going from a direct replacement 1 to 1 to 3X the staff and the remaining non outsourced people have to basically be human databases and regurgitate info and critically think for this other group. Adding in constant instant message rooms that are mandatory to be logged into and constantly pinged is just insane. No employees win in this situation.

partha42 7y ago

> -> Lesser immigration would've led to a higher GDP/capita figure for US. How?

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pjc50 7y ago

Huge assumptions there. And some significant work has gone into investigating the first and found it's the other way round: https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/docserver/9789264288737-8-en.pdf?expires=1561925471&id=id&accname=guest&checksum=2A3252FE21068EDB1E66CE9EB3362356 https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/docserver/9789264288737-8-en.p... > We can help Africa and South american countries It would be a significant improvement if the US stopped "helping" South America. Allende would like a word.

Kiro 7y ago
The effect you're talking about is not instant. If you get a lot of asylum seekers in a short time your GDP/capita will take a hit until they've been integrated into society and become a net positive.
- car12 7y ago
  And that period to get assimilated and become net positive might be a period of +- few decades which is an insanely long time in today's world of super fast moving money and economic conditions and 4 year hyper partisan election cycles.