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I usually do not consider articles which blame the evils of the world on a group of people identified by gender or race or skin tone to be "fair". But that's ju

I usually do not consider articles which blame the evils of the world on a group of people identified by gender or race or skin tone to be "fair". But that's just me.

the_duke 7y ago
I did not pick up this innuendo. One could maybe fault the article for bringing up names and personal information about an issue that the Foundation clearly wanted to keep out of the public discussion. But it also presents a sizable amount of information that the complaints against Fran could very well have had merit, without drawing any kind of conclusion.
- smolder 7y ago
  "A picture has emerged over the past half decade of a platform controlled by a small group of white men that is unwelcoming, if not hostile, to newcomers and women." I still don't have much insight into this issue, but I worry about "too white, too male" being used as a standalone reason that change is needed. When race and gender make-up leads to bias, conflicting interests, or myopia on some issue, then it's a problem that needs addressing. It very often is, but it has to be demonstrated --we can't reason by analogy that all things demographically imbalanced are unjust.
  - the_duke 7y ago
    This particular - mostly US centric - discussion is something that is best kept off Hackernews, IMO. While discussing an individual, nuanced community upheavel in a important part of the modern web is interesting, there are better public forums for generalized, socio-political topics. (You also picked a single quote , while, as I stated, the article provides much more context)
    - evncr 7y ago
      Then people shouldn't link to it to begin with. What you're practically saying is that only your side should be able to make their point.
    - smolder 7y ago
      I'm not participating in a culture war or any kind of drama. You said you didn't pick up on what the parent poster was saying. I'll see myself out.
  - DanBC 7y ago
    It's not being used as a standalone reason. Fram wasn't booted for being white or male. He was booted for being toxic.
- rndgermandude 7y ago
  After re-reading my comment above, I feel I need to clarify that the "But that's just me" quip was directed at the article. But even to me it looks now as if I was directing it at you, which was not my intention. Sorry for that.

I usually do not consider articles which blame the evils of the world on a group of people identified by gender or race or skin tone to be "fair". But that's just me.

the_duke 7y ago

I did not pick up this innuendo. One could maybe fault the article for bringing up names and personal information about an issue that the Foundation clearly wanted to keep out of the public discussion. But it also presents a sizable amount of information that the complaints against Fran could very well have had merit, without drawing any kind of conclusion.

smolder 7y ago
"A picture has emerged over the past half decade of a platform controlled by a small group of white men that is unwelcoming, if not hostile, to newcomers and women." I still don't have much insight into this issue, but I worry about "too white, too male" being used as a standalone reason that change is needed. When race and gender make-up leads to bias, conflicting interests, or myopia on some issue, then it's a problem that needs addressing. It very often is, but it has to be demonstrated --we can't reason by analogy that all things demographically imbalanced are unjust.
- the_duke 7y ago
  This particular - mostly US centric - discussion is something that is best kept off Hackernews, IMO. While discussing an individual, nuanced community upheavel in a important part of the modern web is interesting, there are better public forums for generalized, socio-political topics. (You also picked a single quote , while, as I stated, the article provides much more context)
  - evncr 7y ago
    Then people shouldn't link to it to begin with. What you're practically saying is that only your side should be able to make their point.
  - smolder 7y ago
    I'm not participating in a culture war or any kind of drama. You said you didn't pick up on what the parent poster was saying. I'll see myself out.
- DanBC 7y ago
  It's not being used as a standalone reason. Fram wasn't booted for being white or male. He was booted for being toxic.
rndgermandude 7y ago
After re-reading my comment above, I feel I need to clarify that the "But that's just me" quip was directed at the article. But even to me it looks now as if I was directing it at you, which was not my intention. Sorry for that.