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> I think if you looked at the early years of feminism, you would a similar hatred of men. I'd be fascinated to see a historical account of that. Many suffrage

by untog 7y ago

> I think if you looked at the early years of feminism, you would a similar hatred of men. I'd be fascinated to see a historical account of that. Many suffragettes (including the founder Emmeline Pankhurst) were married. Perhaps they all hated their husbands, but I'd be interested to know more. > Arguing about who has it "worse" is probably counterproductive now. It's kind of unavoidable, though. Encouraging women to report domestic violence, and taking action when they do, has a knock-on effect of there being more false accusations and innocent men punished. So it's a direct tradeoff. The key is to try to minimise those tradeoffs as much as possible.

adrianN 7y ago
I think being unmarried as a woman was a recipe for a live in poverty back then.
alexandercrohde 7y ago
> I'd be fascinated to see a historical account of that. Well, not a hard-source, but having been alive in the 90's most women didn't consider themselves feminists in the 90s. And if pressed they'd say things like "I believe in equality but I wouldn't call myself a feminist." Anecdotally, there was a perception that those who most loudly and immediately identified themselves as "feminist" (not unlike those who most loudly and immediately identify as men's-right-activists) had a HUGE emotional investment in the topic and saw unfairness/oppression everywhere. Additionally, with 90's feminism at least, some women associated loud self-proclamations of feminism as a move more common to "butch" women. Hopefully the conversation on treatment of men will make as much progress in 20 short years.
- lonelappde 7y ago
  Maybe because there was oppression/unfairness everywhere? Where not being sexually assaulted at work was a rare privilege?
  - dexterdog 7y ago
    Yeah, except there wasn't.
- mnky9800n 7y ago
  I'm surprised you know most women in the 90s. I was alive during the 90s but only managed to meet a few.

by untog 7y ago

adrianN 7y ago

I think being unmarried as a woman was a recipe for a live in poverty back then.

alexandercrohde 7y ago

> I'd be fascinated to see a historical account of that. Well, not a hard-source, but having been alive in the 90's most women didn't consider themselves feminists in the 90s. And if pressed they'd say things like "I believe in equality but I wouldn't call myself a feminist." Anecdotally, there was a perception that those who most loudly and immediately identified themselves as "feminist" (not unlike those who most loudly and immediately identify as men's-right-activists) had a HUGE emotional investment in the topic and saw unfairness/oppression everywhere. Additionally, with 90's feminism at least, some women associated loud self-proclamations of feminism as a move more common to "butch" women. Hopefully the conversation on treatment of men will make as much progress in 20 short years.

lonelappde 7y ago
Maybe because there was oppression/unfairness everywhere? Where not being sexually assaulted at work was a rare privilege?
- dexterdog 7y ago
  Yeah, except there wasn't.
mnky9800n 7y ago
I'm surprised you know most women in the 90s. I was alive during the 90s but only managed to meet a few.