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I think if you looked at the early years of feminism, you would a similar hatred of men. Only people who have been pushed to the absolute brink are prepared to
by dTal 7y ago
I think if you looked at the early years of feminism, you would a similar hatred of men. Only people who have been pushed to the absolute brink are prepared to break the social taboos. The sooner the world accepts that there needs to be a conversation about equality going both ways, the sooner that anger will be defused. Arguing about who has it "worse" is probably counterproductive now.
(All of this applies mainly to the western cultural context. Some places in the world are still at the stage of needing suffragettes)
- untog 7y ago> I think if you looked at the early years of feminism, you would a similar hatred of men. I'd be fascinated to see a historical account of that. Many suffragettes (including the founder Emmeline Pankhurst) were married. Perhaps they all hated their husbands, but I'd be interested to know more. > Arguing about who has it "worse" is probably counterproductive now. It's kind of unavoidable, though. Encouraging women to report domestic violence, and taking action when they do, has a knock-on effect of there being more false accusations and innocent men punished. So it's a direct tradeoff. The key is to try to minimise those tradeoffs as much as possible.
- adrianN 7y agoI think being unmarried as a woman was a recipe for a live in poverty back then.
- alexandercrohde 7y ago> I'd be fascinated to see a historical account of that. Well, not a hard-source, but having been alive in the 90's most women didn't consider themselves feminists in the 90s. And if pressed they'd say things like "I believe in equality but I wouldn't call myself a feminist." Anecdotally, there was a perception that those who most loudly and immediately identified themselves as "feminist" (not unlike those who most loudly and immediately identify as men's-right-activists) had a HUGE emotional investment in the topic and saw unfairness/oppression everywhere. Additionally, with 90's feminism at least, some women associated loud self-proclamations of feminism as a move more common to "butch" women. Hopefully the conversation on treatment of men will make as much progress in 20 short years.
- lonelappde 7y agoMaybe because there was oppression/unfairness everywhere? Where not being sexually assaulted at work was a rare privilege?
- dexterdog 7y agoYeah, except there wasn't.
- mnky9800n 7y agoI'm surprised you know most women in the 90s. I was alive during the 90s but only managed to meet a few.
- doute 7y ago> I think if you looked at the early years of feminism, you would a similar hatred of men. But that is only relevant if the situations are similar. But for example, it is the most "feminist" countries that grants the most paternity leave. And the reason why the US have unwavering laws on divorce, custody and alimony is to protect the traditional family model where divorce is discourage and women didn't have career to fall back on.
- rbavocadotree 7y agoI'm not an expert in the early years of feminism, but from what I have read, this seems very wrong. The early years were about exploration and starting a conversation about what equality would look like. It was closely tied to the philosophical and social movements of the time. I doubt there was any other period in time where men and women worked so closely and cooperatively on the issue. It started as a small group against society, not men vs women.
- dTal 7y agoYou are right - while suffragettes could be quite violent, the violence was political and (as far as I can tell) misandry didn't hit hard until Second Wave Feminism, in the 60s-80s. But hit hard it did, and the effects reverberate today. The point is, toxic hatred for the "other side" is a distasteful but not uncommon feature of movements in a particular stage of their existence. It doesn't invalidate their complaints.