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Wow, I don't even know where to start. You are right that the alleged relationship is actually the most interesting part of the story. Because it shows what's s

Wow, I don't even know where to start. You are right that the alleged relationship is actually the most interesting part of the story. Because it shows what's so wrong about the user base's reaction: Without any merit - reminiscent of GamerGate (see my other comment) - a secret relationship is alleged that of course biases every actor involved. The community piles onto one user without any good reason, except that she is a woman. And her behavior, writing about topics that counteract certain problems in the community (and are thus almost an act of resistance), is disdained by the insecure, predominantly male, user base that feels attacked by the implicit political act in her presence and writing focus. Every single sentence in your comment is without a factual base - and you still manage to make massive leaps of logic between them. It is clear that you are motivated by an anti-feminist standpoint that has little connection with actual reality or contemporary feminist thought. And for some reason, you deem it justified to harass users for it. If a substantial portion of Wikipedia's user base is like you, then that's pretty unhealthy.

zapdrive 7y ago
One the lines in my comment was "this puts a lot in perspective for me". So it goes without saying that I'm reaching all those conclusions from my perspective. Am I misogynist? Hell no. Am I against equal rights for women? Not at all. But I'm against equal rights that come without equal responsibilities. And over the years in my life I have seen multiple women not being held accountable of their actions, just because of their gender. They get to make false allegations and totally ruin other people's lives and get no punishment even when these allegations are proved totally wrong. This only promotes these kinds of false allegations. And that's why I'm assuming the foundation is hiding the complaint in a shroud of secrecy, because it won't stand any ground in public. And, of course, even if the allegations against Fram are proven to be false, there will be zero consequences for the complainant. Only encouraging more women to file such complaints against other admins until all the well minded people start leaving the project and radical feminists gain control of it and start attempting to change the history.
- 0815test 7y ago
  What's going on is that the complainant xirself is indirectly letting us know that xir complaint didn't have any ground to stand on. Xey went straight to the Foundation precisely as a ploy to bypass the community's well-established due process, knowing full well that any bureaucracy of that sort would naturally "hid[e] the complaint in a shroud of secrecy"! It's not so much about xem being a woman - though that certainly can't hurt xem, I guess - and more about the political games that xey're overty playing. Quite disgraceful, all around. Added: I'm not sure that we can know why the Foundation chose to act on this basis. It could have been personal in the way you imply, but this was a controversial editor who had strongly opposed Foundation initiatives before (Media view, Visual Editor, "next-gen" discussion platform to replace wiki-like talk pages, etc.) So I'd rather not speculate - the Foundation didn't need anything more than a flimsy pretext, and a formal complaint could certainly serve that purpose.
  - zapdrive 7y ago
    Thank you for articulating that better than me. This is exactly what I'm trying to say. Now the question is why would anyone in the foundation take a drastic action on the bases of a flimsy complaint? My life experience has taught me that these kinds of things are usually done by men in power out of love for a woman. Or by women who know they will face zero consequences in case this blows over. I'm ready to eat my hat, if we ever get the whole picture and we find out that a feminist was not involved (either the complainant or the foundation member who took action).

zapdrive 7y ago

One the lines in my comment was "this puts a lot in perspective for me". So it goes without saying that I'm reaching all those conclusions from my perspective. Am I misogynist? Hell no. Am I against equal rights for women? Not at all. But I'm against equal rights that come without equal responsibilities. And over the years in my life I have seen multiple women not being held accountable of their actions, just because of their gender. They get to make false allegations and totally ruin other people's lives and get no punishment even when these allegations are proved totally wrong. This only promotes these kinds of false allegations. And that's why I'm assuming the foundation is hiding the complaint in a shroud of secrecy, because it won't stand any ground in public. And, of course, even if the allegations against Fram are proven to be false, there will be zero consequences for the complainant. Only encouraging more women to file such complaints against other admins until all the well minded people start leaving the project and radical feminists gain control of it and start attempting to change the history.

0815test 7y ago
What's going on is that the complainant xirself is indirectly letting us know that xir complaint didn't have any ground to stand on. Xey went straight to the Foundation precisely as a ploy to bypass the community's well-established due process, knowing full well that any bureaucracy of that sort would naturally "hid[e] the complaint in a shroud of secrecy"! It's not so much about xem being a woman - though that certainly can't hurt xem, I guess - and more about the political games that xey're overty playing. Quite disgraceful, all around. Added: I'm not sure that we can know why the Foundation chose to act on this basis. It could have been personal in the way you imply, but this was a controversial editor who had strongly opposed Foundation initiatives before (Media view, Visual Editor, "next-gen" discussion platform to replace wiki-like talk pages, etc.) So I'd rather not speculate - the Foundation didn't need anything more than a flimsy pretext, and a formal complaint could certainly serve that purpose.
- zapdrive 7y ago
  Thank you for articulating that better than me. This is exactly what I'm trying to say. Now the question is why would anyone in the foundation take a drastic action on the bases of a flimsy complaint? My life experience has taught me that these kinds of things are usually done by men in power out of love for a woman. Or by women who know they will face zero consequences in case this blows over. I'm ready to eat my hat, if we ever get the whole picture and we find out that a feminist was not involved (either the complainant or the foundation member who took action).