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@pjmlp I am going to hijack this and ask you somewhat off topic question: Most of the OS books teach in a very Unix centered way. Can you recommend some books

by z3phyr 7y ago

@pjmlp I am going to hijack this and ask you somewhat off topic question: Most of the OS books teach in a very Unix centered way. Can you recommend some books or resources which describe non-C non-Unixy Operating Systems? I really liked the Blue Book of Smalltalk, and looking for more!

pjmlp 7y ago
Sure. - MacOS (pre-OS X) "Revolution in the Valley" https://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Valley-Insanely-Great-Story/dp/1449316247 https://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Valley-Insanely-Great-Stor... http://basalgangster.macgui.com/RetroMacComputing/The_Long_View/The_Long_View.html http://basalgangster.macgui.com/RetroMacComputing/The_Long_V... - NeXTSTEP / Mac OS X Debatable about non-C non-Unixy part, but it surely isn't the focus of the whole stack. "Mac OS X Internals: A Systems Approach" https://www.amazon.com/Mac-OS-Internals-Approach-paperback/dp/0134426541 https://www.amazon.com/Mac-OS-Internals-Approach-paperback/d... http://www.nextop.de/NeXTstep_3.3_Developer_Documentation/ http://www.nextop.de/NeXTstep_3.3_Developer_Documentation/ - Oberon and its derivatives (1992 and 2013 versions, System 3, Insight ETHOS and A2) https://inf.ethz.ch/personal/wirth/ https://inf.ethz.ch/personal/wirth/ https://inf.ethz.ch/personal/wirth/ProjectOberon/index.html https://inf.ethz.ch/personal/wirth/ProjectOberon/index.html http://www.projectoberon.com/ http://www.projectoberon.com/ http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.472.5256&rep=rep1&type=pdf http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.472... http://www.ocp.inf.ethz.ch/wiki/Documentation/Front http://www.ocp.inf.ethz.ch/wiki/Documentation/Front https://www.research-collection.ethz.ch/handle/20.500.11850/140827 https://www.research-collection.ethz.ch/handle/20.500.11850/... - Symbian "Symbian OS Internals: Real-time Kernel Programming" https://www.amazon.com/Symbian-OS-Internals-Real-time-Programming-ebook/dp/B000SMY1XC/ref=sr_1_1 https://www.amazon.com/Symbian-OS-Internals-Real-time-Progra... "Symbian OS Platform Security: Software Development Using the Symbian OS Security Architecture" https://www.amazon.com/Symbian-Platform-Security-Development-Architecture/dp/0470018828/ref=sr_1_14 https://www.amazon.com/Symbian-Platform-Security-Development... "The Symbian OS Architecture Sourcebook: Design and Evolution of a Mobile Phone OS" https://www.amazon.com/Symbian-OS-Architecture-Sourcebook-Evolution/dp/0470018461/ref=sr_1_15 https://www.amazon.com/Symbian-OS-Architecture-Sourcebook-Ev... - Mesa and Mesa/Cedar http://www.digibarn.com/friends/curbow/star/XDEPaper.pdf http://www.digibarn.com/friends/curbow/star/XDEPaper.pdf http://worrydream.com/refs/Teitelman%20-%20The%20Cedar%20Programming%20Environment,%20A%20Midterm%20Report%20and%20Examination.pdf http://worrydream.com/refs/Teitelman%20-%20The%20Cedar%20Pro... - JX http://www4.cs.fau.de/Projects/JX/ http://www4.cs.fau.de/Projects/JX/ - SPIN OS http://www-spin.cs.washington.edu/external/overview.html http://www-spin.cs.washington.edu/external/overview.html - Singularity, https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/singularity/#!publications https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/singularity... https://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Singularity-A-research-OS-written-in-C https://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Singularity-A-res... https://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Singularity-Revisited https://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Singularity-Revis... - Barrelfish https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/barrelfish/#!publications https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/barrelfish/... - Midori, http://joeduffyblog.com/2015/11/03/blogging-about-midori/ http://joeduffyblog.com/2015/11/03/blogging-about-midori/ https://www.infoq.com/presentations/csharp-systems-programming/ https://www.infoq.com/presentations/csharp-systems-programmi... "RustConf 2017 - Closing Keynote: Safe Systems Software and the Future of Computing" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVm938gMWl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVm938gMWl0 "While never reaching commercial release, at one time Midori powered all of Microsoft’s natural language search service for the West Coast and Asia." Source: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/singularity/ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/singularity... - Helios https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/helios.pdf https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/wp-content/uploads/... - Muen https://muen.codelabs.ch/ https://muen.codelabs.ch/ - GenodeOS https://genode.org/documentation/index https://genode.org/documentation/index - Inferno http://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/docs.html http://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/docs.html - Minix 3 https://wiki.minix3.org/doku.php?id=www:documentation:start https://wiki.minix3.org/doku.php?id=www:documentation:start - BeOS "Be Developer's Guide" https://www.amazon.com/Be-Developers-Guide-Development-Team/dp/1565922875 https://www.amazon.com/Be-Developers-Guide-Development-Team/... "Be Advanced Topics" https://www.amazon.com/Be-Advanced-Topics-Development-Team/dp/1565923960 https://www.amazon.com/Be-Advanced-Topics-Development-Team/d... - Windows https://www.amazon.de/Windows-Internals-Part-Pavel-Yosifovich/dp/0735684189 https://www.amazon.de/Windows-Internals-Part-Pavel-Yosifovic... https://www.amazon.de/Windows-Internals-Part-Mark-Russinovich/dp/0135462401 https://www.amazon.de/Windows-Internals-Part-Mark-Russinovic... https://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Rob-Short-and-kernel-team-Going-deep-inside-Windows-Vistas-kernel-architecture https://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Rob-Short-and-ker... https://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Doron-Holan-Kernel-Mode-Driver-Framework https://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Doron-Holan-Kerne... https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2012/3-005 https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2012/3-005 Not everything by a long shot, plenty more to re-discover like VMS,IBM i and Z, Unisys ClearPath, mbed,... Just keep an open mind and don't idolatrize UNIX, yes it has a couple of good ideas, but they don't make it the be all end all of OS design.
- z3phyr 7y ago
  Thank you so much!!

by z3phyr 7y ago

pjmlp 7y ago

Sure. - MacOS (pre-OS X) "Revolution in the Valley" https://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Valley-Insanely-Great-Story/dp/1449316247 https://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Valley-Insanely-Great-Stor... http://basalgangster.macgui.com/RetroMacComputing/The_Long_View/The_Long_View.html http://basalgangster.macgui.com/RetroMacComputing/The_Long_V... - NeXTSTEP / Mac OS X Debatable about non-C non-Unixy part, but it surely isn't the focus of the whole stack. "Mac OS X Internals: A Systems Approach" https://www.amazon.com/Mac-OS-Internals-Approach-paperback/dp/0134426541 https://www.amazon.com/Mac-OS-Internals-Approach-paperback/d... http://www.nextop.de/NeXTstep_3.3_Developer_Documentation/ http://www.nextop.de/NeXTstep_3.3_Developer_Documentation/ - Oberon and its derivatives (1992 and 2013 versions, System 3, Insight ETHOS and A2) https://inf.ethz.ch/personal/wirth/ https://inf.ethz.ch/personal/wirth/ https://inf.ethz.ch/personal/wirth/ProjectOberon/index.html https://inf.ethz.ch/personal/wirth/ProjectOberon/index.html http://www.projectoberon.com/ http://www.projectoberon.com/ http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.472.5256&rep=rep1&type=pdf http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.472... http://www.ocp.inf.ethz.ch/wiki/Documentation/Front http://www.ocp.inf.ethz.ch/wiki/Documentation/Front https://www.research-collection.ethz.ch/handle/20.500.11850/140827 https://www.research-collection.ethz.ch/handle/20.500.11850/... - Symbian "Symbian OS Internals: Real-time Kernel Programming" https://www.amazon.com/Symbian-OS-Internals-Real-time-Programming-ebook/dp/B000SMY1XC/ref=sr_1_1 https://www.amazon.com/Symbian-OS-Internals-Real-time-Progra... "Symbian OS Platform Security: Software Development Using the Symbian OS Security Architecture" https://www.amazon.com/Symbian-Platform-Security-Development-Architecture/dp/0470018828/ref=sr_1_14 https://www.amazon.com/Symbian-Platform-Security-Development... "The Symbian OS Architecture Sourcebook: Design and Evolution of a Mobile Phone OS" https://www.amazon.com/Symbian-OS-Architecture-Sourcebook-Evolution/dp/0470018461/ref=sr_1_15 https://www.amazon.com/Symbian-OS-Architecture-Sourcebook-Ev... - Mesa and Mesa/Cedar http://www.digibarn.com/friends/curbow/star/XDEPaper.pdf http://www.digibarn.com/friends/curbow/star/XDEPaper.pdf http://worrydream.com/refs/Teitelman%20-%20The%20Cedar%20Programming%20Environment,%20A%20Midterm%20Report%20and%20Examination.pdf http://worrydream.com/refs/Teitelman%20-%20The%20Cedar%20Pro... - JX http://www4.cs.fau.de/Projects/JX/ http://www4.cs.fau.de/Projects/JX/ - SPIN OS http://www-spin.cs.washington.edu/external/overview.html http://www-spin.cs.washington.edu/external/overview.html - Singularity, https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/singularity/#!publications https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/singularity... https://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Singularity-A-research-OS-written-in-C https://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Singularity-A-res... https://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Singularity-Revisited https://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Singularity-Revis... - Barrelfish https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/barrelfish/#!publications https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/barrelfish/... - Midori, http://joeduffyblog.com/2015/11/03/blogging-about-midori/ http://joeduffyblog.com/2015/11/03/blogging-about-midori/ https://www.infoq.com/presentations/csharp-systems-programming/ https://www.infoq.com/presentations/csharp-systems-programmi... "RustConf 2017 - Closing Keynote: Safe Systems Software and the Future of Computing" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVm938gMWl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVm938gMWl0 "While never reaching commercial release, at one time Midori powered all of Microsoft’s natural language search service for the West Coast and Asia." Source: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/singularity/ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/singularity... - Helios https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/helios.pdf https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/wp-content/uploads/... - Muen https://muen.codelabs.ch/ https://muen.codelabs.ch/ - GenodeOS https://genode.org/documentation/index https://genode.org/documentation/index - Inferno http://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/docs.html http://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/docs.html - Minix 3 https://wiki.minix3.org/doku.php?id=www:documentation:start https://wiki.minix3.org/doku.php?id=www:documentation:start - BeOS "Be Developer's Guide" https://www.amazon.com/Be-Developers-Guide-Development-Team/dp/1565922875 https://www.amazon.com/Be-Developers-Guide-Development-Team/... "Be Advanced Topics" https://www.amazon.com/Be-Advanced-Topics-Development-Team/dp/1565923960 https://www.amazon.com/Be-Advanced-Topics-Development-Team/d... - Windows https://www.amazon.de/Windows-Internals-Part-Pavel-Yosifovich/dp/0735684189 https://www.amazon.de/Windows-Internals-Part-Pavel-Yosifovic... https://www.amazon.de/Windows-Internals-Part-Mark-Russinovich/dp/0135462401 https://www.amazon.de/Windows-Internals-Part-Mark-Russinovic... https://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Rob-Short-and-kernel-team-Going-deep-inside-Windows-Vistas-kernel-architecture https://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Rob-Short-and-ker... https://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Doron-Holan-Kernel-Mode-Driver-Framework https://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Doron-Holan-Kerne... https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2012/3-005 https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2012/3-005 Not everything by a long shot, plenty more to re-discover like VMS,IBM i and Z, Unisys ClearPath, mbed,... Just keep an open mind and don't idolatrize UNIX, yes it has a couple of good ideas, but they don't make it the be all end all of OS design.

z3phyr 7y ago
Thank you so much!!