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The difference being one is talking about "how they think things would be if they were a dad", while the other is talking about the actual experience they had w
by dudul 7y ago
The difference being one is talking about "how they think things would be if they were a dad", while the other is talking about the actual experience they had while being a dad. Somehow I feel like one of the two takes precedence in terms of credibility.
- pmyteh 7y agoThey're both true, though. Expectations of decent parenting are lower: just taking both my children to the park gets 'wow, that must be a handful' comments that my wife doesn't get. At the same time, I'm not assumed to be a competent caregiver, and am excluded from some of the social/mutual support side of parenting as it's in practice mums only. GP is correct; these are in many ways two sides of the same sexist coin.
- afiori 7y agoBut they are in agreement. The same way both assuming that a [category X] can't do [stuff Y] and being positively surprised when they do are two faces of the same discrimination.
- codernyc16 7y agoThey could both arise from the same cause, but that says nothing about how often they occur. You seem to imply they’re equivalent, potentially in frequency as well. A real world account seems to suggest the negative experience happens more often. I’d like to hear him comment on it.
- afiori 7y agoThat is hard to tell anecdotally. https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/10/02/different-worlds/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/10/02/different-worlds/
- MRD85 7y agoMy point is she thinks it would be great to have no one expect you to be a decent parent and she passes it off as men having it better in her article. I'm saying, that for a dedicated parent, it's worse.