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Well, I think all the lawyer + law professor + writers can not have kids and we'll be fine. I'm not saying people that want to work 40/50 hour weeks shouldn't

Well, I think all the lawyer + law professor + writers can not have kids and we'll be fine. I'm not saying people that want to work 40/50 hour weeks shouldn't have kids. I'm saying people who want to work 80 hour weeks shouldn't have kids. They probably shouldn't have dogs either...

rayiner 7y ago
If you’re going to assert that a group of people should forgo a major aspect of life, it’s incumbent on you to actually provide evidence that shows concrete and major harms from that combination of life choices. And that evidence just doesn’t exist. In most situations, if you tell people they shouldn’t do X without citing concrete evidence that X is bad, your viewpoint won’t be taken seriously. In the area of parenting, however, we switch off our brains, because we assign some mystical importance to biological parents spending time with kids, instead of alternative caretakers. In the case of the author: > They were lovingly cared for by their father, their grandmother, my son’s preschool teacher and my daughter’s babysitter. Many children, often in low income families, are raised primarily by grandparents and school. Are you prepared to say that those families shouldn’t have had children?
- Dayshine 7y ago
  It's 1am so you get the first result I found. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277953604000279 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027795360... Let me know if you don't have access to the journal. That's 2-3 times increased chance of measurable mental health problems if parents work outside of 9-5
  - barry-cotter 7y ago
    The long run effects of adoption on personality attributes and IQ is indistinguishable from zero. People are as like their biological siblings whether they ever meet them or not, and as like their adoptive siblings as any random stranger. Outside major abuse and genetic contributions parents have limited effects on adult outcomes. If the worst parents working more does to children is a less happy childhood on average that’s a hard choice to condemn. Normal people send their children to child warehousing facilities where they’re taught to sit down, shut up and do as they’re told while subjected to busywork, boredom, ranking and the ennui of meaninglessness for over a decade instead of letting them grow and play and they don’t get judged much for it.
    - AstralStorm 7y ago
      You missed the rampant socialising and tribalism in your description of school.

rayiner 7y ago

If you’re going to assert that a group of people should forgo a major aspect of life, it’s incumbent on you to actually provide evidence that shows concrete and major harms from that combination of life choices. And that evidence just doesn’t exist. In most situations, if you tell people they shouldn’t do X without citing concrete evidence that X is bad, your viewpoint won’t be taken seriously. In the area of parenting, however, we switch off our brains, because we assign some mystical importance to biological parents spending time with kids, instead of alternative caretakers. In the case of the author: > They were lovingly cared for by their father, their grandmother, my son’s preschool teacher and my daughter’s babysitter. Many children, often in low income families, are raised primarily by grandparents and school. Are you prepared to say that those families shouldn’t have had children?

Dayshine 7y ago
It's 1am so you get the first result I found. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277953604000279 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027795360... Let me know if you don't have access to the journal. That's 2-3 times increased chance of measurable mental health problems if parents work outside of 9-5
- barry-cotter 7y ago
  The long run effects of adoption on personality attributes and IQ is indistinguishable from zero. People are as like their biological siblings whether they ever meet them or not, and as like their adoptive siblings as any random stranger. Outside major abuse and genetic contributions parents have limited effects on adult outcomes. If the worst parents working more does to children is a less happy childhood on average that’s a hard choice to condemn. Normal people send their children to child warehousing facilities where they’re taught to sit down, shut up and do as they’re told while subjected to busywork, boredom, ranking and the ennui of meaninglessness for over a decade instead of letting them grow and play and they don’t get judged much for it.
  - AstralStorm 7y ago
    You missed the rampant socialising and tribalism in your description of school.