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[matrix] and Riot.im are alternatives to Signal and Wire.

• KirinDave 7y ago
  Unfortunately these have strong privacy implications as they all phone home an awful lot.
  • jeduardo 7y ago
    Do you have more info about this? As far as I understand if you use e2e encryption with riot/matrix you should be quite safe.
    • Arathorn 7y ago
      I imagine the GP is talking about https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20178267 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20178267. We've spent the last few weeks going through fixing the issues which this highlighted; there'll be a blog post later today (or tomorrow) giving an update on how we've addressed the points in question.
      • Arathorn 7y ago
        right: https://matrix.org/blog/2019/06/30/tightening-up-privacy-in-matrix https://matrix.org/blog/2019/06/30/tightening-up-privacy-in-...
      • KirinDave 7y ago
        Yeah I wrote this before I saw that blog post which appears to have hit most of the implications.
• DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
  sorry no. riot and matrix are both NOT e2e. I wish people would stop repeating as facts what is somewhere on the roadmap
  • Arathorn 7y ago
    Riot and Matrix have had E2EE since 2016. You have to manually enable it when you want it, but that's shortly going to change as per https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20315096 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20315096.
  • eredengrin 7y ago
    Without more context, saying that matrix is not e2e encrypted is just as much of a lie as saying it is.