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TLDR: The claims and descriptions in these Navy patents exactly match the “leaked technical descriptions” from many conspiracy theories over the past 30-40 year

TLDR: The claims and descriptions in these Navy patents exactly match the “leaked technical descriptions” from many conspiracy theories over the past 30-40 years claiming that the US government has secret craft capable of defying the current known limits of aerodynamics and propulsion. Antigravity conspiracy theories has been a favorite source of fascination/amusement for me for a long time (see my username), and I cannot describe how eerie and weird it feels to read official Navy patents and claims by ex-head of Lockheed Martin skunkworks literally corroborating some of conspiracy theories I’ve heard going around for decades. (Yet the skeptic in my brain still won’t allow me to fully believe it until I see a working prototype.) The whole story here is just so utterly bizarre; the deeper you dig, the weirder it gets. These TheDrive articles seem to do a great job of investigating and reporting on the facts without too much speculation, and I highly recommend diving down the rabbit hole of linked articles (especially on this connected “To The Stars Academy” organization making similar claims of incredible technology by a panel of founders with astoundingly impressive and official credentials). To add to the strangeness of the Navy patents: the actual patent contents reads almost like gibberish, or the kind of pseudoscientific technobabble you’d write to add scientific explanations of space ships to a sci-fi novel. If the technical descriptions and phenomena are real, then these patents really are describing or hinting at new physics, but in a way that misuses existing terms and reexplains obvious basics of physics with what seems like amateurish imprecision (like referring to cross products as “multiplication”) — which just doesn’t make sense at all given the credentials of those vouching for the patents. Yet, the descriptions match almost exactly the rumors and conspiracy theories of how electrogravitic propulsion systems of secret military craft worked. And, they describe something that should be testable even without a room temperature superconductor (one could take a charged super capacitor and spin it and/or vibrate it at extreme frequencies and see if this has any measurable effect on its inertial or gravitational mass), which intrigues me. Look into the “TR-3B” or “Aurora project” conspiracy theory and you’ll find tales and descriptions of the crafts antigravity drive that is absolutely identical to what is described in these patents: a superconducting medium carrying an extremely high charge density, that is rotated and vibrated are incredibly high frequencies — and this is claimed to somehow reduce the inertial mass of the surrounding area. This TR-3B conspiracy theory is decades old, at least, and it matches these official government patents exactly. It’s almost as if someone took some of the most intriguing rumors or conspiracy theories of secret government craft from decades ago, and started filing patents from extremely official government sources on exactly the kind of tech that was rumored to exist; yet in a way that sounds much like pseudoscience to anyone educated in modern physics. This is the kind of thing which, based on the content itself, you’d immediately dismiss as a crackpot conspiracy theory technobabble. But the highly official credentials of the source of these patents, and of the people claiming or hinting that the tech is real (the ex-head of Lockheed Martin skunkworks — it doesn’t get much more credible than that) makes it impossible to ignore in that way. So I honestly don’t know what to make of any of this. It would be interesting to try experimenting with some of the testable claims that these patents describe.

krapp 7y ago
>It’s almost as if someone took some of the most intriguing rumors or conspiracy theories of secret government craft from decades ago, and started filing patents from extremely official government sources on exactly the kind of tech that was rumored to exist; yet in a strangely non-credible sounding way to anyone educated in modern physics. So it's written and presented in a way that only the gullible, naive and crackpots will accept. Maybe that's the answer then - it's schmuck bait. Someone in the US Navy wanted to troll the UFO nuts, the patent office, or both.
- electrograv 7y ago
  Yeah, but why though? It doesn’t make much sense. If they wanted to mislead rivals into thinking we have technology we don’t (so as to waste their resources trying to develop tech down a dead-end), why not write it in a more credible way? If they just wanted to publish “schmuck bait” as you say, I suppose I just don’t see the point of that. It could be explained as an inside joke / trolling I suppose, but for example, look at the credentials of the people here: https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com/ https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com/ Their team includes the recently retired director of Lockheed Martin Skunkworks group. I don’t know how to dismiss that.
DanielBMarkham 7y ago
This has also been a hobby of mine. Regardless of anything about aliens or technology, this area says something very interesting about the way our society processes information, about how scientists and organizations deal with non-reproducible information, for example. From watching social media over the past few years, especially the various foreign authoritarian governments, we can see an easy pattern: some bit of truth comes out, then the organization trying to suppress conversation floods the conversation with tons of half-truths, lies, conspiracy theories, and so forth. In the firehose of bullshit, the only thing the average observer can do is throw up their hands and give up. Based on this general pattern of information and disinformation, I'm quite confident that the western mostly-free (?) countries are trying to have an honest conversation with themselves. About what, I have no idea. What I find particularly interesting are the professional, multi-sourced observations of various things happening that seem to just get eaten up by the system itself. Whether incompetence, secrecy, crackpots, or whatnot, it says something really fascinating about how groups of people deal with things they don't want to deal with. Yes, there are crackpots and liars in the world. Yes, there are people who are honestly mistaken. There are also people who avoid controversy and just throw out the "crackpot" label instead of thinking through things. These are all easy responses. Even putting all the options together, something very interesting is going on that we're not dealing with so well.

krapp 7y ago

>It’s almost as if someone took some of the most intriguing rumors or conspiracy theories of secret government craft from decades ago, and started filing patents from extremely official government sources on exactly the kind of tech that was rumored to exist; yet in a strangely non-credible sounding way to anyone educated in modern physics. So it's written and presented in a way that only the gullible, naive and crackpots will accept. Maybe that's the answer then - it's schmuck bait. Someone in the US Navy wanted to troll the UFO nuts, the patent office, or both.

electrograv 7y ago
Yeah, but why though? It doesn’t make much sense. If they wanted to mislead rivals into thinking we have technology we don’t (so as to waste their resources trying to develop tech down a dead-end), why not write it in a more credible way? If they just wanted to publish “schmuck bait” as you say, I suppose I just don’t see the point of that. It could be explained as an inside joke / trolling I suppose, but for example, look at the credentials of the people here: https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com/ https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com/ Their team includes the recently retired director of Lockheed Martin Skunkworks group. I don’t know how to dismiss that.

DanielBMarkham 7y ago

This has also been a hobby of mine. Regardless of anything about aliens or technology, this area says something very interesting about the way our society processes information, about how scientists and organizations deal with non-reproducible information, for example. From watching social media over the past few years, especially the various foreign authoritarian governments, we can see an easy pattern: some bit of truth comes out, then the organization trying to suppress conversation floods the conversation with tons of half-truths, lies, conspiracy theories, and so forth. In the firehose of bullshit, the only thing the average observer can do is throw up their hands and give up. Based on this general pattern of information and disinformation, I'm quite confident that the western mostly-free (?) countries are trying to have an honest conversation with themselves. About what, I have no idea. What I find particularly interesting are the professional, multi-sourced observations of various things happening that seem to just get eaten up by the system itself. Whether incompetence, secrecy, crackpots, or whatnot, it says something really fascinating about how groups of people deal with things they don't want to deal with. Yes, there are crackpots and liars in the world. Yes, there are people who are honestly mistaken. There are also people who avoid controversy and just throw out the "crackpot" label instead of thinking through things. These are all easy responses. Even putting all the options together, something very interesting is going on that we're not dealing with so well.