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I would agree with you if they had not self reported and taken immediate corrective action.

by n_o_u 7y ago

everybodyknows 7y ago
Boeing self-reported after Air Canada had already created a "paper trail". At that point, they could hardly hope to keep the failure secret.
- _Codemonkeyism 7y ago
  I've met executives who said 'Don't mail me problems, always call me.' or who said 'Don't ever tell me problems'. Because the moment there is a paper trail, they can't hide. As an employee you always want to create a paper trail otherwise they will pin it on you. Print emails if necessary.
  - Farradfahren 7y ago
    Wer schreibt der bleibt
  - salawat 7y ago
    Absolutely this. There is a tendency in higher management circles to only want paper trail created after a decision to deal with or dismiss an issue is made. I never realized why until I found out about e-discovery. You can get around this somewhat by fulfilling their request to be notified without paper trail, then immediately e-mailing them and everyone involved with a copy of the problem discussed, the decision made, the reasoning behind the decision (including attribution to who said what), and the the action plan moving forward. If you really feel uncomfortable about it, include the weather outside the office day. It seems silly, but it can lead to some interesting lines of questioning in legal proceedings, and it also serves as a canary to those paying attention to what you are concerned may be in the future moving forward. Sometimes this may kindle a more in-depth review of the subject matter at hand. People may think you're weird. However, most just file it under "there is no communication like over-communication."
    - _Codemonkeyism 7y ago
      "If you really feel uncomfortable about it, include the weather outside the office day. It seems silly, but it can lead to some interesting lines of questioning in legal proceeding" Will remember this!
- gouggoug 7y ago
  Sure, but is it really a question here that Boeing definitely would not try to hide this in the first place? Why would Boeing willingly and knowingly ship a plane with a fuel leak? They know a fuel leak has an extremely deadly potential. What could _possibly_ be the interest for Boeing to ship _one_ plane with a fuel leak? If that was a systematic thing, then yes why not, we could say they hid it on purpose. But here it doesn’t make sense.

I would agree with you if they had not self reported and taken immediate corrective action.

by n_o_u 7y ago

I would agree with you if they had not self reported and taken immediate corrective action.

Boeing self-reported after Air Canada had already created a "paper trail". At that point, they could hardly hope to keep the failure secret.

_Codemonkeyism 7y ago
I've met executives who said 'Don't mail me problems, always call me.' or who said 'Don't ever tell me problems'. Because the moment there is a paper trail, they can't hide. As an employee you always want to create a paper trail otherwise they will pin it on you. Print emails if necessary.
- Farradfahren 7y ago
  Wer schreibt der bleibt
- salawat 7y ago
  Absolutely this. There is a tendency in higher management circles to only want paper trail created after a decision to deal with or dismiss an issue is made. I never realized why until I found out about e-discovery. You can get around this somewhat by fulfilling their request to be notified without paper trail, then immediately e-mailing them and everyone involved with a copy of the problem discussed, the decision made, the reasoning behind the decision (including attribution to who said what), and the the action plan moving forward. If you really feel uncomfortable about it, include the weather outside the office day. It seems silly, but it can lead to some interesting lines of questioning in legal proceedings, and it also serves as a canary to those paying attention to what you are concerned may be in the future moving forward. Sometimes this may kindle a more in-depth review of the subject matter at hand. People may think you're weird. However, most just file it under "there is no communication like over-communication."
  - _Codemonkeyism 7y ago
    "If you really feel uncomfortable about it, include the weather outside the office day. It seems silly, but it can lead to some interesting lines of questioning in legal proceeding" Will remember this!
gouggoug 7y ago
Sure, but is it really a question here that Boeing definitely would not try to hide this in the first place? Why would Boeing willingly and knowingly ship a plane with a fuel leak? They know a fuel leak has an extremely deadly potential. What could _possibly_ be the interest for Boeing to ship _one_ plane with a fuel leak? If that was a systematic thing, then yes why not, we could say they hid it on purpose. But here it doesn’t make sense.