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And this problem will continue to exist if people continue to use Google Maps. You need a large amount of data (the map search queries of the user and geolocati

And this problem will continue to exist if people continue to use Google Maps. You need a large amount of data (the map search queries of the user and geolocation data as you travel while using the map app) to refine and improve this. But new map apps will initially offer a poor user experience as they can only improve once people start using it. But people stop using these apps because of the poor user experience. And thus the gap between Google Maps and others keep growing as people continue to use Google Maps, and keep giving it more data and ignore the other map apps. That is why Apple has now begun to collect geolocation data from even other apps ( https://thenextweb.com/apple/2019/06/10/ios-13-will-show-you-where-apps-have-tracked-your-location-on-a-map/ https://thenextweb.com/apple/2019/06/10/ios-13-will-show-you... ) in the guise of "transparency" - the data is really to improve their own map apps

05 7y ago
> the data is really to improve their own map apps Baselessly claiming Apple silently uploads locally collected data is quite a leap of imagination on your end, do you have a source for the uploading part?
- webmobdev 7y ago
  It's not that big of a leap of imagination when you realise that the data is shown to the user on an Apple Map and that Apple has been collecting location data since iPhone was launched, in many different ways. - Apple is collecting location data, but not YOUR location data ( https://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/apple-is-collecting-location-data-but-not-your-location-data-948581 https://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobi... ). - Apple tweaks privacy policy to juice location tracking ( https://www.imore.com/apple-posts-qa-location-data https://www.imore.com/apple-posts-qa-location-data ) (Note the dates on these articles). Moreover, all this "feature" of collecting data on app usage through "screen time" or the feature of getting location data from other apps to "inform" the user is just a very reasonable excuse by them to collect more data and profile you, in the guise of "transparency". Having trusted Google once with a similar "Do No Evil" propaganda of how trustworthy they are, and ultimately been betrayed by them, I can recognize that Apple is following the same pattern as Google - collecting more and more data followed with a PR campaigns about how they "care" about a privacy. But despite all this PR about "transparency" note that there is no way to opt-out of any such data collection and sharing! (No, I am not an Apple basher - I have and use their products and actually advocated for it a lot with others. Still do under some circumstances. But I am losing faith in them ... ).

05 7y ago

> the data is really to improve their own map apps Baselessly claiming Apple silently uploads locally collected data is quite a leap of imagination on your end, do you have a source for the uploading part?

webmobdev 7y ago
It's not that big of a leap of imagination when you realise that the data is shown to the user on an Apple Map and that Apple has been collecting location data since iPhone was launched, in many different ways. - Apple is collecting location data, but not YOUR location data ( https://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/apple-is-collecting-location-data-but-not-your-location-data-948581 https://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobi... ). - Apple tweaks privacy policy to juice location tracking ( https://www.imore.com/apple-posts-qa-location-data https://www.imore.com/apple-posts-qa-location-data ) (Note the dates on these articles). Moreover, all this "feature" of collecting data on app usage through "screen time" or the feature of getting location data from other apps to "inform" the user is just a very reasonable excuse by them to collect more data and profile you, in the guise of "transparency". Having trusted Google once with a similar "Do No Evil" propaganda of how trustworthy they are, and ultimately been betrayed by them, I can recognize that Apple is following the same pattern as Google - collecting more and more data followed with a PR campaigns about how they "care" about a privacy. But despite all this PR about "transparency" note that there is no way to opt-out of any such data collection and sharing! (No, I am not an Apple basher - I have and use their products and actually advocated for it a lot with others. Still do under some circumstances. But I am losing faith in them ... ).