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From what I have read it sounded like the US government has been working to undermine Venezuela economically for some time. Socialism was working too well, it b

From what I have read it sounded like the US government has been working to undermine Venezuela economically for some time. Socialism was working too well, it brought huge swathes of the population out of poverty. A working less-capitalist model being dangerous to the global status quo, had to go. I'm sorry and I hope it gets better. Here is one article, as a source, its long though. Source: https://nacla.org/news/2018/05/18/united-states%E2%80%99-hand-undermining-democracy-venezuela https://nacla.org/news/2018/05/18/united-states%E2%80%99-han...

idDriven 7y ago
Im really impressed at the number of downvotes, despite the lack of subsequent replies. Here's another source: "The first UN rapporteur to visit Venezuela for 21 years has told The Independent the US sanctions on the country are illegal and could amount to “crimes against humanity” under international law. Former special rapporteur Alfred de Zayas, who finished his term at the UN in March, has criticized the US for engaging in “economic warfare” against Venezuela which he said is hurting the economy and killing Venezuelans." Per the Indpendent: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/venezuela-us-sanctions-united-nations-oil-pdvsa-a8748201.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/venezuela-...
- martythemaniak 7y ago
  You're probably being downvoted without replies because your post of such low quality, it is not worth replying to. "Socialism was working too well, it brought huge swathes of the population out of poverty. A working less-capitalist model being dangerous to the global status quo, had to go." This is ideological drivel so far removed from reality, it's basically trolling.
  - dang 7y ago
    This comment breaks the site guidelines. You have a long history of doing that. We've warned you more than once. Would you please fix this? I don't want to ban you, but if you don't stop doing this, we're going to be forced to. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules from now on, that would be good.
  - idDriven 7y ago
    Thank you for replying. In terms of ideology v reality this would be similar to the ideology that led to the Iran Contra scandal. Source: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/reagan-iran/ https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/reagan-...
- super-serial 7y ago
  History remembers the winners - so even though I actually agree with what you're saying about US government economic warfare, the end result was the Venezuelan government turned to shit. It's become oppressive, their policies have failed and now their society is crumbling and people are suffering. If Venezuela's form of socialism was working so well, then it should have sustained itself no matter what the US did. Instead it was supported by oil money, and as soon as the oil dollars were cut off it collapsed because there was nothing revolutionary or innovative about it. I'll be voting for Andrew Yang this primary because I like the idea of UBI and a social safety net and how he's planning to implement his policies. I think that form of 21st century socialism might work - the form that Venezuela chose just led to cronyism and oppression.
  - erikpukinskis 7y ago
    > If Venezuela's form of socialism was working so well, then it should have sustained itself no matter what the US did Good domestic policy makes you impervious to interference by foreign powers with 40x your GDP? I don’t get it, what’s the logic there?
    - super-serial 7y ago
      Startup logic... anyone can take on Google or Amazon if their ideas are innovative and good enough.
      - idDriven 7y ago
        I think you forgot funding. That's kinda important.

idDriven 7y ago

Im really impressed at the number of downvotes, despite the lack of subsequent replies. Here's another source: "The first UN rapporteur to visit Venezuela for 21 years has told The Independent the US sanctions on the country are illegal and could amount to “crimes against humanity” under international law. Former special rapporteur Alfred de Zayas, who finished his term at the UN in March, has criticized the US for engaging in “economic warfare” against Venezuela which he said is hurting the economy and killing Venezuelans." Per the Indpendent: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/venezuela-us-sanctions-united-nations-oil-pdvsa-a8748201.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/venezuela-...

martythemaniak 7y ago
You're probably being downvoted without replies because your post of such low quality, it is not worth replying to. "Socialism was working too well, it brought huge swathes of the population out of poverty. A working less-capitalist model being dangerous to the global status quo, had to go." This is ideological drivel so far removed from reality, it's basically trolling.
- dang 7y ago
  This comment breaks the site guidelines. You have a long history of doing that. We've warned you more than once. Would you please fix this? I don't want to ban you, but if you don't stop doing this, we're going to be forced to. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules from now on, that would be good.
- idDriven 7y ago
  Thank you for replying. In terms of ideology v reality this would be similar to the ideology that led to the Iran Contra scandal. Source: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/reagan-iran/ https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/reagan-...
super-serial 7y ago
History remembers the winners - so even though I actually agree with what you're saying about US government economic warfare, the end result was the Venezuelan government turned to shit. It's become oppressive, their policies have failed and now their society is crumbling and people are suffering. If Venezuela's form of socialism was working so well, then it should have sustained itself no matter what the US did. Instead it was supported by oil money, and as soon as the oil dollars were cut off it collapsed because there was nothing revolutionary or innovative about it. I'll be voting for Andrew Yang this primary because I like the idea of UBI and a social safety net and how he's planning to implement his policies. I think that form of 21st century socialism might work - the form that Venezuela chose just led to cronyism and oppression.
- erikpukinskis 7y ago
  > If Venezuela's form of socialism was working so well, then it should have sustained itself no matter what the US did Good domestic policy makes you impervious to interference by foreign powers with 40x your GDP? I don’t get it, what’s the logic there?
  - super-serial 7y ago
    Startup logic... anyone can take on Google or Amazon if their ideas are innovative and good enough.
    - idDriven 7y ago
      I think you forgot funding. That's kinda important.