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There is no country on the planet that stands for individual freedom more than the US; we were founded on the idea. The idea that Canada has stronger free speec

There is no country on the planet that stands for individual freedom more than the US; we were founded on the idea. The idea that Canada has stronger free speech protection is laughable. There is zero chance this idea goes anywhere. Look at the sources for the article, that should give some indication of its credibility.

ergothus 7y ago
> There is no country on the planet that stands for individual freedom more than the US; we were founded on the idea There's a lot packed into that statement. Without switching into an off-topic discussion, I'd suggest that it's a lot like GPL vs BSD licenses - there's more than one way to define "freedom", and one can focus on results vs options, on groups vs individuals, etc.
- 18pfsmt 7y ago
  >there's more than one way to define "freedom" Only to people with an agenda. This garbage way of redefining words to suit your predetermined policy goals is ridiculous. My comment is severely DVd but nobody supplied an example of a more free country. All tech companies are HQd in the US for a reason. Stable private property protection and individual freedom is most prominent in the US. The collectivists lost the argument that had been ongoing since the 1920s when the USSR fell, and some folks want to have this argument again (even when they already lost). How many times is Europe going to fine big tech for exercising their natural rights? We need at least one country with minimal rules in the world.
stirfrykitty 7y ago
While what you say is true, OpenBSD is merely based in Canada by dint of Theo de Raadt residing there and being the project lead. Being that open source is more or less borderless, even if he were told to beg off developing crypto, the code is out there. Ditto every other open source crypto project. The beauty of open source is that it can be inspected. Pandora's Box and all that... If people want to communicate using encryption, they will do so. Maybe not with today's algorithms and implementations, but they will continue on. OTPs, new algorithms, hiding stuff in plain sight, etc. I think steganography is too obvious and too easily discovered.
- 18pfsmt 7y ago
  Canada has no power in the world. They are our surrogate. OBSD is in Canada because that's where de Raadt lives.
- 18pfsmt 7y ago
  You people are such pansies. We could take you on all day long. I'm in Denver. Bring it. I will take you on the Colorado River, and if you say anti freedom stuff, I will drown you in the river. Try it out.
  - dang 7y ago
    Come on, please keep HN free of this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - 18pfsmt 7y ago
      Sorry, man. I was drinking beers. Anti-freedom people make me a bit crazy. It's difficult for me to see so much hate on HN.
  - masonic 7y ago
    "Fifty-Four Forty or Fight!"
OldSchoolJohnny 7y ago
There is no country on the planet that pays more blind unthinking lip-service to the concept of freedom I'll give you that but if you think the average US citizen has more freedom by any objective international standard measure than the average Canadian citizen you may want to put down that KoolAid you've been drinking and reconsider because you would find few knowledgeable people who would agree with your assertion.
- 18pfsmt 7y ago
  Only by some absurd idea of freedom you are able to summon. We have the freedom to be assholes yet. Sure, we lost battles against the totalitarians on several fronts, but we are still more free in the sense that one would be free as a sole occupant on a Caribbean island. People are allowed to freely associate in corporations and pursue their economic goals. Canada is smaller than California, population wise and GDP, and most of your income comes from natural resources like copper, coal, oil, and gold. Non-Americans can't stop visiting American websites. Hmm.
  - 18pfsmt 7y ago
    The negativity on this comment is amazing. These Euro ideas would die so fast. I will pay for your flights to Denver. please come to CO.
    - skizziepop 7y ago
      uh the us sucks please fly me to Denver
- 18pfsmt 7y ago
  Please come to Denver and say this to my face.

ergothus 7y ago

> There is no country on the planet that stands for individual freedom more than the US; we were founded on the idea There's a lot packed into that statement. Without switching into an off-topic discussion, I'd suggest that it's a lot like GPL vs BSD licenses - there's more than one way to define "freedom", and one can focus on results vs options, on groups vs individuals, etc.

18pfsmt 7y ago
>there's more than one way to define "freedom" Only to people with an agenda. This garbage way of redefining words to suit your predetermined policy goals is ridiculous. My comment is severely DVd but nobody supplied an example of a more free country. All tech companies are HQd in the US for a reason. Stable private property protection and individual freedom is most prominent in the US. The collectivists lost the argument that had been ongoing since the 1920s when the USSR fell, and some folks want to have this argument again (even when they already lost). How many times is Europe going to fine big tech for exercising their natural rights? We need at least one country with minimal rules in the world.

stirfrykitty 7y ago

While what you say is true, OpenBSD is merely based in Canada by dint of Theo de Raadt residing there and being the project lead. Being that open source is more or less borderless, even if he were told to beg off developing crypto, the code is out there. Ditto every other open source crypto project. The beauty of open source is that it can be inspected. Pandora's Box and all that... If people want to communicate using encryption, they will do so. Maybe not with today's algorithms and implementations, but they will continue on. OTPs, new algorithms, hiding stuff in plain sight, etc. I think steganography is too obvious and too easily discovered.

18pfsmt 7y ago
Canada has no power in the world. They are our surrogate. OBSD is in Canada because that's where de Raadt lives.
18pfsmt 7y ago
You people are such pansies. We could take you on all day long. I'm in Denver. Bring it. I will take you on the Colorado River, and if you say anti freedom stuff, I will drown you in the river. Try it out.
- dang 7y ago
  Come on, please keep HN free of this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - 18pfsmt 7y ago
    Sorry, man. I was drinking beers. Anti-freedom people make me a bit crazy. It's difficult for me to see so much hate on HN.
- masonic 7y ago
  "Fifty-Four Forty or Fight!"

OldSchoolJohnny 7y ago

There is no country on the planet that pays more blind unthinking lip-service to the concept of freedom I'll give you that but if you think the average US citizen has more freedom by any objective international standard measure than the average Canadian citizen you may want to put down that KoolAid you've been drinking and reconsider because you would find few knowledgeable people who would agree with your assertion.

18pfsmt 7y ago
Only by some absurd idea of freedom you are able to summon. We have the freedom to be assholes yet. Sure, we lost battles against the totalitarians on several fronts, but we are still more free in the sense that one would be free as a sole occupant on a Caribbean island. People are allowed to freely associate in corporations and pursue their economic goals. Canada is smaller than California, population wise and GDP, and most of your income comes from natural resources like copper, coal, oil, and gold. Non-Americans can't stop visiting American websites. Hmm.
- 18pfsmt 7y ago
  The negativity on this comment is amazing. These Euro ideas would die so fast. I will pay for your flights to Denver. please come to CO.
  - skizziepop 7y ago
    uh the us sucks please fly me to Denver
18pfsmt 7y ago
Please come to Denver and say this to my face.