3 ms·

That was the same argument gnome 3 used when it wasn't working in my Nvidia GPU: the driver is buggy, not our fault. This is very hard to explain to your users

That was the same argument gnome 3 used when it wasn't working in my Nvidia GPU: the driver is buggy, not our fault. This is very hard to explain to your users, because there's nothing they can do. So yes, it really doesn't matter too much why if the software doesn't work. I don't mind X until Wayland is ready for all.

Tharkun 7y ago
That's been the argument for every Linux problem for at least as long as I've been using Linux. WiFi drivers used to suck. To the point that you had to be careful which WiFi card (yes, card) you bought, because only a couple of models worked on Linux at all. This situation took an extremely long time to get better. The same thing happened (and is still happening) with graphics cards. But at least most of them sort of work, instead of outright failing. As long as enough consumers don't actively demand decent Linux (or BSD, whatever) support, it will never come. I'd suggest voting with your wallets, but with the laptop market being the steaming pile of shit that it is, that's virtually impossible. The year of the Linux desktop...just like fusion power, is always just around the corner.
- komali2 7y ago
  Sometimes manufacturers lie to us, though. Like the Thinkpad x1 Carbon was supposed to be "linux-ready," and then it ships with sleep functionality broken for a couple months until they managed to get a BIOS fix through. I tried to vote with my wallet, but this is what Linux is like /shrug
shmerl 7y ago
It's actually easy to explain - ditch Nvidia, they aren't supporting Linux properly. Pretty clear message, and users either get it and ditch it, and if not, nothing you could do to help them. It's totally Nvidia's fault.
- reidrac 7y ago
  My Nvidia GPU was fine until gnome 3 happened. See, is not my fault. It had good drivers and decent support. Now I use only Intel because... well, it works. But I don't bother with 3D gaming, of course. My point is that you can blame the manufacturers because their support is broken, but you can't blame the users because they will use something else (I know I did: XFCE works great). EDIT: Gnome shell was initially released in 2011. This may or may not have changed, for better or worse. I moved on.
  - shmerl 7y ago
    Nvidia is far from fine. To understand their attitude, read this comment from one of the leading Nouveau developers: https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/linux-graphics-x-org-drivers/open-source-nvidia-linux-nouveau/998310-nouveau-persevered-in-2017-for-open-source-nvidia-but-2018-could-be-much-better?p=998316#post998316 https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/linux-graphics-x-org-d... I agree, you can't blame users for it, but you can totally tell them to try to switch. DE and Wayland compositor developers can't spend resources cleaning up the mess that Nvidia created by refusing to upstream their driver and preventing Nouveau from working properly as well.

Tharkun 7y ago

That's been the argument for every Linux problem for at least as long as I've been using Linux. WiFi drivers used to suck. To the point that you had to be careful which WiFi card (yes, card) you bought, because only a couple of models worked on Linux at all. This situation took an extremely long time to get better. The same thing happened (and is still happening) with graphics cards. But at least most of them sort of work, instead of outright failing. As long as enough consumers don't actively demand decent Linux (or BSD, whatever) support, it will never come. I'd suggest voting with your wallets, but with the laptop market being the steaming pile of shit that it is, that's virtually impossible. The year of the Linux desktop...just like fusion power, is always just around the corner.

komali2 7y ago
Sometimes manufacturers lie to us, though. Like the Thinkpad x1 Carbon was supposed to be "linux-ready," and then it ships with sleep functionality broken for a couple months until they managed to get a BIOS fix through. I tried to vote with my wallet, but this is what Linux is like /shrug

shmerl 7y ago

It's actually easy to explain - ditch Nvidia, they aren't supporting Linux properly. Pretty clear message, and users either get it and ditch it, and if not, nothing you could do to help them. It's totally Nvidia's fault.

reidrac 7y ago
My Nvidia GPU was fine until gnome 3 happened. See, is not my fault. It had good drivers and decent support. Now I use only Intel because... well, it works. But I don't bother with 3D gaming, of course. My point is that you can blame the manufacturers because their support is broken, but you can't blame the users because they will use something else (I know I did: XFCE works great). EDIT: Gnome shell was initially released in 2011. This may or may not have changed, for better or worse. I moved on.
- shmerl 7y ago
  Nvidia is far from fine. To understand their attitude, read this comment from one of the leading Nouveau developers: https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/linux-graphics-x-org-drivers/open-source-nvidia-linux-nouveau/998310-nouveau-persevered-in-2017-for-open-source-nvidia-but-2018-could-be-much-better?p=998316#post998316 https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/linux-graphics-x-org-d... I agree, you can't blame users for it, but you can totally tell them to try to switch. DE and Wayland compositor developers can't spend resources cleaning up the mess that Nvidia created by refusing to upstream their driver and preventing Nouveau from working properly as well.