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Instead of this 'long and winding road' wry style pr, the reality is EN spectacularly screwed up. They had the world at their feet but got in their own way. I

Instead of this 'long and winding road' wry style pr, the reality is EN spectacularly screwed up. They had the world at their feet but got in their own way. I still use it because incredibly there isn't anything better i'm aware of (I tried onenote but didn't like it) but for me EN is a case history of the incompetent side of valley hype

par 7y ago
how did they spectacularly screw up? honestly asking.
- olivermarks 7y ago
  Code quality of the service they were offering: It's improved a little recently but search is still bad, the shared document function was very buggy and made material disappear. General bugs and niggles in past.
  - dehrmann 7y ago
    > search is still bad Search is hard. Google has the benefit of getting a lot of training data. Corporate intranet search, searching your documents, etc. has to actually figure out relevancy and can't infer it from having already served that query thousands of times in the last day.
    - olivermarks 7y ago
      This is the problem Slack solved, their search is pretty good
- jimktrains2 7y ago
  Neglected their core product by chasing different features that decreased the allure of their core product that continues to rot away.
- erobbins 7y ago
  Disclaimer: I worked there for 2 years Phil Libin was more concerned about stroking his ego and turning the company into a lifestyle brand like apple than actually improving the product.
charlesdaniels 7y ago
> there isn't anything better i'm aware of I've been enjoying Joplin[1] very much. I could criticize a few things about it, but it does have a web clipper (which was Evernote's killer feature for me), and supports cross-device sync. It even has a decent mobile client (I use it on iOS, I won't speak for the Android one), as well as a CLI (also haven't used it). 1 - https://github.com/laurent22/joplin https://github.com/laurent22/joplin
- olivermarks 7y ago
  thanks, I'll explore using Joplin

par 7y ago

how did they spectacularly screw up? honestly asking.

olivermarks 7y ago
Code quality of the service they were offering: It's improved a little recently but search is still bad, the shared document function was very buggy and made material disappear. General bugs and niggles in past.
- dehrmann 7y ago
  > search is still bad Search is hard. Google has the benefit of getting a lot of training data. Corporate intranet search, searching your documents, etc. has to actually figure out relevancy and can't infer it from having already served that query thousands of times in the last day.
  - olivermarks 7y ago
    This is the problem Slack solved, their search is pretty good
jimktrains2 7y ago
Neglected their core product by chasing different features that decreased the allure of their core product that continues to rot away.
erobbins 7y ago
Disclaimer: I worked there for 2 years Phil Libin was more concerned about stroking his ego and turning the company into a lifestyle brand like apple than actually improving the product.

charlesdaniels 7y ago

> there isn't anything better i'm aware of I've been enjoying Joplin[1] very much. I could criticize a few things about it, but it does have a web clipper (which was Evernote's killer feature for me), and supports cross-device sync. It even has a decent mobile client (I use it on iOS, I won't speak for the Android one), as well as a CLI (also haven't used it). 1 - https://github.com/laurent22/joplin https://github.com/laurent22/joplin

olivermarks 7y ago
thanks, I'll explore using Joplin