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Have you been following what China does to entire population groups that threaten their stability? Name one country that is more stable for mass production tha

Have you been following what China does to entire population groups that threaten their stability? Name one country that is more stable for mass production than China? Its just not the leafy vision of stability you had in mind.

Sherl 7y ago
>Name one country that is more stable for mass production than China? India
- NTDF9 7y ago
  Not really. Lack of basic infrastructure still plagues vast parts of India. But yes, India is perhaps the most interesting consumer market outside of US and China. Interesting enough to set bases there
whatshisface 7y ago
Desperately trying to keep stability isn't evidence of stability, it's evidence that the leadership thinks they aren't stable.
- Lambdanaut 7y ago
  The only thing in your statement that provides evidence of instability is your arbitrary inclusion of the adjective "desperately" to describe China's actions. All governments work towards stability in their own ways. I don't see desperation in Chinese strategy, but I do see a lot of energy.
  - whatshisface 7y ago
    >I do see a lot of energy You are free to use any word to describe it, you could also call it "expense." China is spending time and energy on suppressing dissent proportional to their fear of their own people. The CCP has decided that the risk of being deposed is high enough to justify the cost and effort required to implement all of those nightmarish schemes.
    - gpvos 7y ago
      Unfortunately, it does seem to work.
- muzani 7y ago
  Logic may not be sound. A factory owner invests in lowering costs. It doesn't mean that costs aren't already low. China is investing in increased stability. US assumes they are very stable and thus takes on a lot of destabilizing actions. So a lot of people deduce that China will be more stable than USA in N years.
smacktoward 7y ago
The problem is that these types of regimes tend to preside over a system that's extremely stable, right up to the moment when it really really is not. Batista's Cuba was very stable and friendly to foreign investment too, for instance. Then along came Castro, and suddenly not only was it not particularly stable, but lots of those foreign companies had all their holdings expropriated by the new government for having collaborated with their oppressor. Oops!
- bduerst 7y ago
  The difference being that China's culture, for the most part, is okay with the surveillance state. There's protests for sure, and places Hong Kong (an ex-British colony) are not okay with it, but most Chinese citizens are aware of the censorship and don't care. I think what's happening more is that westerners are projecting their own culture and philosophies onto the population. Americans are especially passionate about free-speech and they assume that Chinese citizen's share that, hence all the doom prophesying like your comment.
  - frequentnapper 7y ago
    It's not just about censorship and surveillance. These are there to prevent people from finding out and doing something about other forms of oppression. So what you are saying is that Chinese people culturally don't care about govt oppression unless it's their turn?
  - smacktoward 7y ago
    > The difference being that China's culture, for the most part, is okay with the surveillance state. If they weren't, how would you know? Do you honestly think anyone who isn't would be dumb enough to say so out loud, especially to a pollster or a foreigner?
    - bduerst 7y ago
      Fair enough, it could be survivor bias, but the firewall is so easy to bypass with a VPN that it would most likely be more evident. Anecdotally I spent half a year in China, and whenever I brought up the censorship with people who lived there, I got more than just a few responses where they rolled their eyes and said we (Americans) are obsessed with it, followed up with, "Who cares?"

Sherl 7y ago

>Name one country that is more stable for mass production than China? India

NTDF9 7y ago
Not really. Lack of basic infrastructure still plagues vast parts of India. But yes, India is perhaps the most interesting consumer market outside of US and China. Interesting enough to set bases there

whatshisface 7y ago

Desperately trying to keep stability isn't evidence of stability, it's evidence that the leadership thinks they aren't stable.

Lambdanaut 7y ago
The only thing in your statement that provides evidence of instability is your arbitrary inclusion of the adjective "desperately" to describe China's actions. All governments work towards stability in their own ways. I don't see desperation in Chinese strategy, but I do see a lot of energy.
- whatshisface 7y ago
  >I do see a lot of energy You are free to use any word to describe it, you could also call it "expense." China is spending time and energy on suppressing dissent proportional to their fear of their own people. The CCP has decided that the risk of being deposed is high enough to justify the cost and effort required to implement all of those nightmarish schemes.
  - gpvos 7y ago
    Unfortunately, it does seem to work.
muzani 7y ago
Logic may not be sound. A factory owner invests in lowering costs. It doesn't mean that costs aren't already low. China is investing in increased stability. US assumes they are very stable and thus takes on a lot of destabilizing actions. So a lot of people deduce that China will be more stable than USA in N years.

smacktoward 7y ago

The problem is that these types of regimes tend to preside over a system that's extremely stable, right up to the moment when it really really is not. Batista's Cuba was very stable and friendly to foreign investment too, for instance. Then along came Castro, and suddenly not only was it not particularly stable, but lots of those foreign companies had all their holdings expropriated by the new government for having collaborated with their oppressor. Oops!

bduerst 7y ago
The difference being that China's culture, for the most part, is okay with the surveillance state. There's protests for sure, and places Hong Kong (an ex-British colony) are not okay with it, but most Chinese citizens are aware of the censorship and don't care. I think what's happening more is that westerners are projecting their own culture and philosophies onto the population. Americans are especially passionate about free-speech and they assume that Chinese citizen's share that, hence all the doom prophesying like your comment.
- frequentnapper 7y ago
  It's not just about censorship and surveillance. These are there to prevent people from finding out and doing something about other forms of oppression. So what you are saying is that Chinese people culturally don't care about govt oppression unless it's their turn?
- smacktoward 7y ago
  > The difference being that China's culture, for the most part, is okay with the surveillance state. If they weren't, how would you know? Do you honestly think anyone who isn't would be dumb enough to say so out loud, especially to a pollster or a foreigner?
  - bduerst 7y ago
    Fair enough, it could be survivor bias, but the firewall is so easy to bypass with a VPN that it would most likely be more evident. Anecdotally I spent half a year in China, and whenever I brought up the censorship with people who lived there, I got more than just a few responses where they rolled their eyes and said we (Americans) are obsessed with it, followed up with, "Who cares?"