4 ms·

I have to agree, though history doesn't bode well. A quarter of the population demonstrating is astonishing, but it's someone else's population. Decades of inv

I have to agree, though history doesn't bode well. A quarter of the population demonstrating is astonishing, but it's someone else's population. Decades of inviting China's leaders for some trade talks, and pointedly avoiding making mention of Xinjiang, Tibet or Hong Kong. Maybe make some mention after the Chinese have gone home. Never officially call Taiwan a country - don't upset them. Forget all that inconvenient history of how modern post-WW2 Taiwan, and Hong Kong came about. South Africa got decades of international sanctions, trade and sport embargoes. China got a few years of minor sanctions for Tiananmen, then ever more trade, more factories, more Western manufacturing. The US barely kept sanctions up for two years. The other Western nations weren't much different. Back to business as usual. Edit: At this moment, the story above this one on the front page is "Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China".

merpnderp 7y ago
Falling out of favor of the Chinese communist party has some deadly serious consequences. Those protestors in Hong Kong are braver than most people realize. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps
dsfyu404ed 7y ago
China has something the west wants. South Africa mostly does not. That's unfortunately how these things work. If Russia were China they could have annexed Crimea without the West doing anything more than complaining.
- maltalex 7y ago
  > If Russia were China they could have annexed Crimea without the West doing anything more than complaining. As opposed to what exactly?
  - dsfyu404ed 7y ago
    As opposed to a generally worsening relationship across the board. If China had done it it would have been back to business as usual in no time.
    - mantas 7y ago
      And Russia still is doing business almost as usual. Still getting factories built by Western companies, Nord Stream 2 coming along etc. The biggest change is probably Russia's own counter-sanctions on food imports.
- AWildC182 7y ago
  The tone here is dismissive when it really shouldn't be, but it bears mentioning that they didn't annex a random peninsula, they annexed an entire ocean for their own use.
  - dsfyu404ed 7y ago
    What do you want me to do? I am merely explaining why the west is not up in arms over china. The answer is basically money. China has cheap manufacturing that enables western lifestyles at their current price point so a blind eye is turned. South Africa, Russia, etc, etc, do not so they get criticized. Sorry for not being sufficiently Outraged(TM). Yes. This sucks. Shitty things happen in the world all the time. Chinese authoritarianism is one of them. As someone literally on the other side of the world it is not high up the list of priorities for me. There are fires closer to home that need fighting first.
ffn 7y ago
Well the strategy was first to get the Chinese people addicted to wealth before moving on to discuss the issues of human rights (imaging trying to sanction a poor communist country - e.g. north korea - it will have no effect because the citizens there won't rise up in discontent to protect what they have if they have nothing). But given that China is currently the largest economy in the world right now, now is probably a good of a time as any to show that China needs to play fair internationally and locally in order to acquire the consent of other trade members
PavlovsCat 7y ago
> Edit: At this moment, the story above this one on the front page is "Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China". Well yeah, this one started to get penalized before it was even up 1 hour (before that, it was firmly glued to the very top), and is now completely off the front page. HN, publish flags and votes. Show us the underbelly. edit: and even though this story is now on page THREE, my comment got a downvote instantly, aww. Like not calling it out would change what some people are.

merpnderp 7y ago

Falling out of favor of the Chinese communist party has some deadly serious consequences. Those protestors in Hong Kong are braver than most people realize. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps

dsfyu404ed 7y ago

China has something the west wants. South Africa mostly does not. That's unfortunately how these things work. If Russia were China they could have annexed Crimea without the West doing anything more than complaining.

maltalex 7y ago
> If Russia were China they could have annexed Crimea without the West doing anything more than complaining. As opposed to what exactly?
- dsfyu404ed 7y ago
  As opposed to a generally worsening relationship across the board. If China had done it it would have been back to business as usual in no time.
  - mantas 7y ago
    And Russia still is doing business almost as usual. Still getting factories built by Western companies, Nord Stream 2 coming along etc. The biggest change is probably Russia's own counter-sanctions on food imports.
AWildC182 7y ago
The tone here is dismissive when it really shouldn't be, but it bears mentioning that they didn't annex a random peninsula, they annexed an entire ocean for their own use.
- dsfyu404ed 7y ago
  What do you want me to do? I am merely explaining why the west is not up in arms over china. The answer is basically money. China has cheap manufacturing that enables western lifestyles at their current price point so a blind eye is turned. South Africa, Russia, etc, etc, do not so they get criticized. Sorry for not being sufficiently Outraged(TM). Yes. This sucks. Shitty things happen in the world all the time. Chinese authoritarianism is one of them. As someone literally on the other side of the world it is not high up the list of priorities for me. There are fires closer to home that need fighting first.

ffn 7y ago

Well the strategy was first to get the Chinese people addicted to wealth before moving on to discuss the issues of human rights (imaging trying to sanction a poor communist country - e.g. north korea - it will have no effect because the citizens there won't rise up in discontent to protect what they have if they have nothing). But given that China is currently the largest economy in the world right now, now is probably a good of a time as any to show that China needs to play fair internationally and locally in order to acquire the consent of other trade members

PavlovsCat 7y ago

> Edit: At this moment, the story above this one on the front page is "Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China". Well yeah, this one started to get penalized before it was even up 1 hour (before that, it was firmly glued to the very top), and is now completely off the front page. HN, publish flags and votes. Show us the underbelly. edit: and even though this story is now on page THREE, my comment got a downvote instantly, aww. Like not calling it out would change what some people are.