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IRC is pretty much useless since you don't have history. Comparing Slack and IRC are like comparing TCP and HTML5. Why IRC is pretty bad in enterprise: - no au

by Thaxll 7y ago

IRC is pretty much useless since you don't have history. Comparing Slack and IRC are like comparing TCP and HTML5. Why IRC is pretty bad in enterprise: - no audio / video - no history - no SSO / AD integration - no rich features like links, pictures, upload docs ect ... - easy bot integration with APIs, I can have Datadog pushing things to Slack ( alerts, graph... ) - no archiving channels on the go, Slack is very useful when you have an incident and you create a temp channel and then archive it when the incident is closed.

gerdesj 7y ago
matrix does all that and can be self hosted - ours is.
- steve19 7y ago
  Does the opensource matrix server scale? I may be wrong but I got the impression it was more an example implementation and was not used by Matrix in production?
  - Aaronn 7y ago
    There is no closed source Matrix server implementation that I'm aware of. Synapse is the server used in production for matrix.org, the French government deployments, and tons of other servers including my own. It is somewhat resource intensive but it can scale using workers. There is of course several other server implementations in progress but none are fully ready yet.
pmlnr 7y ago
IRC is a protocol. The features you're listing is server/client dependent.
u801e 7y ago
> no audio / video There are products that are far better for audio and video communication than Slack. At my company, we use Zoom. > no history Can be done with a bouncer if you need it. > no rich features like links, pictures, upload docs ect Is there a reason why an external service can't be used? I can't upload a image here on Hacker News, but I can always include a link to it. > easy bot integration with APIs So I have to use the HTTP protocol to manage a bot rather than checking for certain key words in the message itself. > no archiving channels on the go, Slack is very useful when you have an incident and you create a temp channel and then archive it when the incident is closed. That depends on the settings. One thing that happens every so often at work is that people get trapped as the last remaining person in a channel because only an administrator can archive a channel. In IRC, that's not an issue.

by Thaxll 7y ago

gerdesj 7y ago

matrix does all that and can be self hosted - ours is.

steve19 7y ago
Does the opensource matrix server scale? I may be wrong but I got the impression it was more an example implementation and was not used by Matrix in production?
- Aaronn 7y ago
  There is no closed source Matrix server implementation that I'm aware of. Synapse is the server used in production for matrix.org, the French government deployments, and tons of other servers including my own. It is somewhat resource intensive but it can scale using workers. There is of course several other server implementations in progress but none are fully ready yet.

pmlnr 7y ago

IRC is a protocol. The features you're listing is server/client dependent.

u801e 7y ago

> no audio / video There are products that are far better for audio and video communication than Slack. At my company, we use Zoom. > no history Can be done with a bouncer if you need it. > no rich features like links, pictures, upload docs ect Is there a reason why an external service can't be used? I can't upload a image here on Hacker News, but I can always include a link to it. > easy bot integration with APIs So I have to use the HTTP protocol to manage a bot rather than checking for certain key words in the message itself. > no archiving channels on the go, Slack is very useful when you have an incident and you create a temp channel and then archive it when the incident is closed. That depends on the settings. One thing that happens every so often at work is that people get trapped as the last remaining person in a channel because only an administrator can archive a channel. In IRC, that's not an issue.