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> No. His "sarcasm" was that he now supports "flooding" the > country with what he called "violent low-iq brown". Again: "I don't find it funny or condone it"

by bArray 7y ago

> No. His "sarcasm" was that he now supports "flooding" the > country with what he called "violent low-iq brown". Again: "I don't find it funny or condone it". But, how do you know he isn't sarcastically echoing the point of view of a far-right person, or what other people believe his opinion should be? I think that given the right context (and/or delivery) this could be a joke to mock people for example. > I have zero interest in talking to them. I've tried. Any > argument I've ever encountered has been made in bad faith. Whether you've given up or not, they exist and will continue to exist. They lay the bricks, they hold political positions and they teach your kids. These people exist everywhere in society and somehow we need to work together for the betterment (and survival) of humanity. Given how important us working together is, I feel obliged to understand them. > It's not what you called "right wing bias" that I have a > problem with and don't want to engage with. I thought that > was quite clear in my comment. I didn't suggest you did, I'm just saying that you are able to neutralize the perceived political/ideological bias of the platform with your own thoughts and ideas.

52-6F-62 7y ago
I don't need to neutralize anything. They're not funny. I won't waste my time. And no, these kinds of people don't teach my children. People who make remarks like that in an Ontario school would be in real hot water. Even if it's a "joke". And yes, "joke" is in quotes for a reason. It's not a new phenomenon: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/23/alt-right-online-humor-as-a-weapon-facism https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/23/alt-right... It's not about politics, man. I was very clear.
- bArray 7y ago
  > I don't need to neutralize anything. In the same way you don't need to donate to charity. > And no, these kinds of people don't teach my children. So you think some of these 1 million or so people aren't functioning members of society? How would you ever know if they hold these views privately and express them online under an alias? These are just the people who somehow collected onto this platform, I imagine many more exist (I happen to know many who are not online - and also far-right teachers (it's possible to do a job and not express politics)). > And yes, "joke" is in quotes for a reason. It's not a new > phenomenon: > https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/23/alt-right-online-humor-as-a-weapon-facism https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/23/alt-right... The "alt-right" is just a fuzzy term without any real meaning [0]: "The term is ill-defined, having been used in different ways by various self-described "alt-rightists", media commentators, and academics." It's a convenient bogey-man for people to claim they know the exact cause of some poorly defined group. Helps in writing articles and publishing papers I guess. This whole subject is quite complex and I don't know how anybody could possibly effectively police "jokes" vs jokes without implementing their own bias, especially inside jokes. "I wouldn't spend so long replying to HN comments if they all just dropped dead". Is it a death threat, sarcasm, an inside joke, me spreading my anti-HN ideology? Who knows without context. > It's not about politics, man. I was very clear. Wikipedia: "Fascism is a form of radical right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism" [1]. Fascism is a political ideology. But it's really besides the point. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
  - 52-6F-62 7y ago
    You’re misunderstanding me. I have nothing to say to people who want to argue in bad faith about racism and other nonsense as if they have any valid scientific footing. Please don’t cherry pick my remarks to make like there’s an argument to be had here. By the way, that article is referencing a revival of a strategy employed much earlier on in the 20th century. It doesn’t hinge on “alt right” or anything else. Just bigots making an effort to normalize their bigotry. Have a good weekend. It’s a long one here as we celebrate Canada Day.
    - bArray 7y ago
      > You’re misunderstanding me. I have nothing to say to people > who want to argue in bad faith about racism and other > nonsense as if they have any valid scientific footing. Are you suggesting that I'm acting in bad faith, or the commenter on Gab? I all honesty I think we're misunderstanding each other, that's always been the challenge of writing. > Please don’t cherry pick my remarks to make like there’s > an argument to be had here. Please quote specifically what you think I've cherry picked, I haven't done so on purpose. > By the way, that article is referencing a revival of a > strategy employed much earlier on in the 20th century. It > doesn’t hinge on “alt right” or anything else. Just bigots > making an effort to normalize their bigotry. Normalization of speech through sarcasm? I'm British, sarcasm/"jokes" is the language most of us speak normally anyway, it's how we laugh about our shared troubles. > Have a good weekend. It’s a long one here as we celebrate > Canada Day. Have a good one.
      - 52-6F-62 7y ago
        You’re asking more questions but I also clearly signed off. All the best.

by bArray 7y ago

52-6F-62 7y ago

I don't need to neutralize anything. They're not funny. I won't waste my time. And no, these kinds of people don't teach my children. People who make remarks like that in an Ontario school would be in real hot water. Even if it's a "joke". And yes, "joke" is in quotes for a reason. It's not a new phenomenon: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/23/alt-right-online-humor-as-a-weapon-facism https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/23/alt-right... It's not about politics, man. I was very clear.

bArray 7y ago
> I don't need to neutralize anything. In the same way you don't need to donate to charity. > And no, these kinds of people don't teach my children. So you think some of these 1 million or so people aren't functioning members of society? How would you ever know if they hold these views privately and express them online under an alias? These are just the people who somehow collected onto this platform, I imagine many more exist (I happen to know many who are not online - and also far-right teachers (it's possible to do a job and not express politics)). > And yes, "joke" is in quotes for a reason. It's not a new > phenomenon: > https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/23/alt-right-online-humor-as-a-weapon-facism https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/23/alt-right... The "alt-right" is just a fuzzy term without any real meaning [0]: "The term is ill-defined, having been used in different ways by various self-described "alt-rightists", media commentators, and academics." It's a convenient bogey-man for people to claim they know the exact cause of some poorly defined group. Helps in writing articles and publishing papers I guess. This whole subject is quite complex and I don't know how anybody could possibly effectively police "jokes" vs jokes without implementing their own bias, especially inside jokes. "I wouldn't spend so long replying to HN comments if they all just dropped dead". Is it a death threat, sarcasm, an inside joke, me spreading my anti-HN ideology? Who knows without context. > It's not about politics, man. I was very clear. Wikipedia: "Fascism is a form of radical right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism" [1]. Fascism is a political ideology. But it's really besides the point. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
- 52-6F-62 7y ago
  You’re misunderstanding me. I have nothing to say to people who want to argue in bad faith about racism and other nonsense as if they have any valid scientific footing. Please don’t cherry pick my remarks to make like there’s an argument to be had here. By the way, that article is referencing a revival of a strategy employed much earlier on in the 20th century. It doesn’t hinge on “alt right” or anything else. Just bigots making an effort to normalize their bigotry. Have a good weekend. It’s a long one here as we celebrate Canada Day.
  - bArray 7y ago
    > You’re misunderstanding me. I have nothing to say to people > who want to argue in bad faith about racism and other > nonsense as if they have any valid scientific footing. Are you suggesting that I'm acting in bad faith, or the commenter on Gab? I all honesty I think we're misunderstanding each other, that's always been the challenge of writing. > Please don’t cherry pick my remarks to make like there’s > an argument to be had here. Please quote specifically what you think I've cherry picked, I haven't done so on purpose. > By the way, that article is referencing a revival of a > strategy employed much earlier on in the 20th century. It > doesn’t hinge on “alt right” or anything else. Just bigots > making an effort to normalize their bigotry. Normalization of speech through sarcasm? I'm British, sarcasm/"jokes" is the language most of us speak normally anyway, it's how we laugh about our shared troubles. > Have a good weekend. It’s a long one here as we celebrate > Canada Day. Have a good one.
    - 52-6F-62 7y ago
      You’re asking more questions but I also clearly signed off. All the best.