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That's pretty disingenuous - its not reasonable to ask the average person to take into consideration the intricate nuances of design and its impact on society w

That's pretty disingenuous - its not reasonable to ask the average person to take into consideration the intricate nuances of design and its impact on society when making a buying decision. If we live in a free market (we don't, by the way - especially not in the EU where I live, and thank goodness for that!), then surely it is the onus of the business to promote positive choices for society in their product selection? Because if not them, and not the state, then who else?

andrewfromx 7y ago
so AirPods with replaceable batteries are "promoting positive choices for society" and the current AirPods Apple makes are not? I think the OP is saying there was an election by the people, and they voted overwhelmingly in favor for current Apple AirPods with their money. If people have money and are allowed to choose one thing over the other won't one choice always be "promoting positive choices for society" and one not as much? Unless you make the choices like they do in the Hulu series The Handmaid's Tale country of gilead.
- TheOtherHobbes 7y ago
  Given advertising and PR, do consumers actually make free choices? Do consumers have the costs of their choices spelled out clearly, or are they hidden and deferred as externalities under the false pretence that neither customers nor anyone they know will ever have to worry about them? How accurately do market costs include physical, ecological, environmental, and political/social costs? Is a system that cannot accurately present costs to consumers without interpreting them through its own value system actually credible and trustworthy?
- asveikau 7y ago
  > [the people] voted overwhelmingly in favor for current Apple AirPods with their money Are you sure about this? Personally, I almost never see people wearing AirPods in public, but I do see a lot of other headphones. It cannot be said that they "overwhelmingly" captured the headphone or earbud market. Googling around it seems they are the best selling for wireless according to some sources. But most earphones I see in public seem to be wired still. Yet more googling seems to suggest the whole of the headphone market sells > 10x the number of units as AirPods. It falls far short of an "overwhelming" impression.

andrewfromx 7y ago

so AirPods with replaceable batteries are "promoting positive choices for society" and the current AirPods Apple makes are not? I think the OP is saying there was an election by the people, and they voted overwhelmingly in favor for current Apple AirPods with their money. If people have money and are allowed to choose one thing over the other won't one choice always be "promoting positive choices for society" and one not as much? Unless you make the choices like they do in the Hulu series The Handmaid's Tale country of gilead.

TheOtherHobbes 7y ago
Given advertising and PR, do consumers actually make free choices? Do consumers have the costs of their choices spelled out clearly, or are they hidden and deferred as externalities under the false pretence that neither customers nor anyone they know will ever have to worry about them? How accurately do market costs include physical, ecological, environmental, and political/social costs? Is a system that cannot accurately present costs to consumers without interpreting them through its own value system actually credible and trustworthy?
asveikau 7y ago
> [the people] voted overwhelmingly in favor for current Apple AirPods with their money Are you sure about this? Personally, I almost never see people wearing AirPods in public, but I do see a lot of other headphones. It cannot be said that they "overwhelmingly" captured the headphone or earbud market. Googling around it seems they are the best selling for wireless according to some sources. But most earphones I see in public seem to be wired still. Yet more googling seems to suggest the whole of the headphone market sells > 10x the number of units as AirPods. It falls far short of an "overwhelming" impression.