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But new IP is being created. Just because the other presidents didn't act in time, doesn't mean we should continue letting China dominate by basically operating

But new IP is being created. Just because the other presidents didn't act in time, doesn't mean we should continue letting China dominate by basically operating as a mafia organization while still being defined as a developing nation. That's absolutely absurd.

jjoonathan 7y ago
China can make new IP too. Our big advantage was our head start and we blew it. I'd love to be wrong. As for letting China continue to reap the benefits of being defined as a developing nation, yes, that's absurd, and also needed to stop 10-20 years ago.
- ThomPete 7y ago
  Our big advantage is our free and open markets. It's not a question about whether we blew it the question is what are we going to do about it. Letting China win this with their mafia-like government, where there is no rule of law only rule of the party, is simply not an option. Right now the biggest challenge is the western politicians who hate Trump so much they don't care if they help the Chinese. Anything to get him down. But yeah I agree that it's definitely late in the game. We can still win this though.
  - pm90 7y ago
    > Right now the biggest challenge is the western politicians who hate Trump so much they don't care if they help the Chinese. Anything to get him down. Absolutely wrong. What do you think the TPP was meant to do? The only thing Trump does is short term bluster and outbursts with no long term plan at all. Tariffs are short term plays. Long term strategic thinking requires creation of alliances and allies. The fundamental difference always seems to be if you can persuade the world that your ideas and system is good, or you demand it by force. The latter is not a very effective long term strategy.
    - ThomPete 7y ago
      It wasn't meant to do anything but solidify chinas continued domination over western markets through our reliance on their cheap labor. Politics isn't debate club. It doesn't work that way especially not when you are dealing with a mafia organization like Chinas ruling party.
- adinobro 7y ago
  There are still almost 50,000,000 people in China that live on less than $2 a day. The GDP per capita is roughly 3x less than the US. 20 years ago there was close to 700,000,000 people living on less than $2 a day and there was no underground subway in all of China. Do you really think this was developed? A few cities (Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou & Shenzhen) are developed (~6% of the country) while the rest is still not very developed but improving. Should it still be developing? Probably but not for much longer. How much is up for debate. Some say now. I expect it will happen sometime in the next 10 years.
  - jjoonathan 7y ago
    Trade and competition happens with the developed parts. Our policy should reflect that.

jjoonathan 7y ago

China can make new IP too. Our big advantage was our head start and we blew it. I'd love to be wrong. As for letting China continue to reap the benefits of being defined as a developing nation, yes, that's absurd, and also needed to stop 10-20 years ago.

ThomPete 7y ago
Our big advantage is our free and open markets. It's not a question about whether we blew it the question is what are we going to do about it. Letting China win this with their mafia-like government, where there is no rule of law only rule of the party, is simply not an option. Right now the biggest challenge is the western politicians who hate Trump so much they don't care if they help the Chinese. Anything to get him down. But yeah I agree that it's definitely late in the game. We can still win this though.
- pm90 7y ago
  > Right now the biggest challenge is the western politicians who hate Trump so much they don't care if they help the Chinese. Anything to get him down. Absolutely wrong. What do you think the TPP was meant to do? The only thing Trump does is short term bluster and outbursts with no long term plan at all. Tariffs are short term plays. Long term strategic thinking requires creation of alliances and allies. The fundamental difference always seems to be if you can persuade the world that your ideas and system is good, or you demand it by force. The latter is not a very effective long term strategy.
  - ThomPete 7y ago
    It wasn't meant to do anything but solidify chinas continued domination over western markets through our reliance on their cheap labor. Politics isn't debate club. It doesn't work that way especially not when you are dealing with a mafia organization like Chinas ruling party.
adinobro 7y ago
There are still almost 50,000,000 people in China that live on less than $2 a day. The GDP per capita is roughly 3x less than the US. 20 years ago there was close to 700,000,000 people living on less than $2 a day and there was no underground subway in all of China. Do you really think this was developed? A few cities (Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou & Shenzhen) are developed (~6% of the country) while the rest is still not very developed but improving. Should it still be developing? Probably but not for much longer. How much is up for debate. Some say now. I expect it will happen sometime in the next 10 years.
- jjoonathan 7y ago
  Trade and competition happens with the developed parts. Our policy should reflect that.