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Not an expert on it, but I don't think so. They are and always have been allowed to collect information on US citizens that are in contact with foreigners. Many

Not an expert on it, but I don't think so. They are and always have been allowed to collect information on US citizens that are in contact with foreigners. Many consider this a problem, because ultimately every US citizen is in contact with a foreigner at one time or another, but AFAIK the general rule has never changed. For me and the vast majority of the world population the distinction doesn't matter, because according to US law the NSA is allowed to spy on us as they please. Of course, this practice is illegal were we live, but that's not going to bother them.

sureaboutthis 7y ago
Contact with foreign entities when that person is under investigation for illegal activities. The NSA does not investigate your communication just because you call a foreign entity.
- sneak 7y ago
  This is a false statement. The NSA does bulk collection of the data you describe.
  - sureaboutthis 7y ago
    Bulk collection of data has nothing to do with what I said.
    - sneak 7y ago
      Correct me if I am wrong, but is your argument “they aren’t investigating you, they are just collecting all of your call data and other traffic and storing it in case they want to investigate you later”?
      - sureaboutthis 7y ago
        I said no such thing. I said they aren't looking into your data just because you called a foreign entity.
        sneak 7y ago
        They collect it and store it indefinitely, though, which we now know thanks to Edward Snowden. I think you are moving the goalposts with terms like “looking into”. They are in possession of it and have permanent access to it. For emails and SMS, this involves full content, too. It even includes US-US communication if the stored communications provider replicates it out of the country, which is so common as to be expected in almost all cases.
ataturk 7y ago
I don't want to sound to hyperbolic, but US intelligence agencies have gone rogue and do whatever the hell they please. Actually, I think all the government agencies have gone rogue, the FBI certainly has--spying on the 2016 election, running terror cells that either got away from them or were designed to create chaos, gun running, drug running, you name it. Scary times when major pieces of our own government are beyond control. In fact, I think we're living in the end times of free speech on the Internet on sites like this one. Censorship is coming. Everyone needs to think about how they're going to get timely information when the Internet gets locked down. We'll see if my post gets deleted or flagged or ghosted.

sureaboutthis 7y ago

Contact with foreign entities when that person is under investigation for illegal activities. The NSA does not investigate your communication just because you call a foreign entity.

sneak 7y ago
This is a false statement. The NSA does bulk collection of the data you describe.
- sureaboutthis 7y ago
  Bulk collection of data has nothing to do with what I said.
  - sneak 7y ago
    Correct me if I am wrong, but is your argument “they aren’t investigating you, they are just collecting all of your call data and other traffic and storing it in case they want to investigate you later”?
    - sureaboutthis 7y ago
      I said no such thing. I said they aren't looking into your data just because you called a foreign entity.
      - sneak 7y ago
        They collect it and store it indefinitely, though, which we now know thanks to Edward Snowden. I think you are moving the goalposts with terms like “looking into”. They are in possession of it and have permanent access to it. For emails and SMS, this involves full content, too. It even includes US-US communication if the stored communications provider replicates it out of the country, which is so common as to be expected in almost all cases.

ataturk 7y ago

I don't want to sound to hyperbolic, but US intelligence agencies have gone rogue and do whatever the hell they please. Actually, I think all the government agencies have gone rogue, the FBI certainly has--spying on the 2016 election, running terror cells that either got away from them or were designed to create chaos, gun running, drug running, you name it. Scary times when major pieces of our own government are beyond control. In fact, I think we're living in the end times of free speech on the Internet on sites like this one. Censorship is coming. Everyone needs to think about how they're going to get timely information when the Internet gets locked down. We'll see if my post gets deleted or flagged or ghosted.