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it's a funny chain of consequences. put a notch, now the bottom border is too thick, so you thin it up with a very expensive manufacturing process. if you had n

it's a funny chain of consequences. put a notch, now the bottom border is too thick, so you thin it up with a very expensive manufacturing process. if you had not a notch there, there would have not been a need to move away the chin to maintain visual symmetry. anyway even with most manufacturer producing notch design, I still find no benefit that entices me to move to a notch model for a feature that adds a total of 44 pixels rows at twice the selling cost to maintain visual border symmetry, but I understand there are people obsessed with aesthetics that are willing to part a sizeable amount of money for a symmetrical bezel. It appears I'm just not the target audience of apple anymore.

simonh 7y ago
A symmetric bezel is literally the only selling point iPhones have over phones half the price. Really.
- LoSboccacc 7y ago
  yes? android can do: phone calls internet browsing apps heck, I can use firefox and ublock on android, so iphones look even worse feature wise from here. they look good and cost a lot and that's it. even the app quality argument holds little value today as there's not many app today that aren't just cross-compiled plus, a billion of little cuts, like not being able to download an mp3 and use it as alarm or ringtone, having to use safari for sites that use webgl, having skype etc to open link into safari forcing every time a copy paste etc etc. iphones aren't bad experience as long as you commit to every single defalut they pick for you. outside that, they're pretty and they're expensive. three years ago the tech gap in the hardware itself was enough to justify the price, with even high end androids having wholly inadequate performances, and I had iphones all the way up to the 5s, but that's irrelevant now, with even the midrange android beefy enough to go trough every application you can throw at them with ease.
  - Hendrikto 7y ago
    Next time, read the comment you reply to before starting into a rant. Both of you think Android > Apple.
  - rietta 7y ago
    And iPhones received security updates for 5 years (60 months) vs the typical 18 months or leas on Androids because carriers suck.
    - LoSboccacc 7y ago
      > because carriers suck I'm conflicted on this topic. on one hand carriers are acting like total trash about android security. on the other hand people aren't forced into a lease and can get a vanilla android one device from a lot of different vendors and enjoy faster upgrades from the vendor and extended upgrades from projects like lineageos. I think the root cause is the general populace voting with their wallet in a way that doesn't align with the best practices as seen from a more security conscious mindset. however this issue intersects weirdly with budgeting and upgrading frequency. bar consideration on used market depreciation, one iphone purchase can get you 3 midrange android phones, so for the same budget you'd be more or less on the same os "freshness" for a comparable period of time, so to say, with increasingly better hardware and fresher batteries (because if you take 5 years as a iOS device lifetime you'll be hit by battery and subsequent performance degradation, likely twice), and of course if one has the budget to change device every year the issue disappears regardless of the platform. as long as one can avoid carriers devices, I guess.
      - rietta 7y ago
        I think of phones as a 3 year replacement cycle. Though I am in year 4 with my 6s now. I get the manufacturer's original warranty plus the additional 2 years of repair or replace from my American Express card. One upside of keeping longer is that I am personally contributing less to the e-Waste problem than if I went through an Android phone per year. So ballpark math, a $900 iPhone XR would be covered by either Apple or American Express for 36 months and cost me $25/month to maintain. I effectively run a leasing program for myself inside my small business budget.
- orky56 7y ago
  OS?
  - LoSboccacc 7y ago
    I'm lucky enough to be on Android One, so the only contact point I've with Android OS is the notifications and every now and then the settings app, everything else I've replaced, from the launcher to alarm application to the browser. People care of iOS mostly because they're forced to interact with iOS bundled apps daily and well, if you compare those bundled app with the mess that's on non Android One devices Apple comes on top, but there are other choices.
- teekert 7y ago
  Privacy? Have you read what Play services sends home?

simonh 7y ago

A symmetric bezel is literally the only selling point iPhones have over phones half the price. Really.

LoSboccacc 7y ago
yes? android can do: phone calls internet browsing apps heck, I can use firefox and ublock on android, so iphones look even worse feature wise from here. they look good and cost a lot and that's it. even the app quality argument holds little value today as there's not many app today that aren't just cross-compiled plus, a billion of little cuts, like not being able to download an mp3 and use it as alarm or ringtone, having to use safari for sites that use webgl, having skype etc to open link into safari forcing every time a copy paste etc etc. iphones aren't bad experience as long as you commit to every single defalut they pick for you. outside that, they're pretty and they're expensive. three years ago the tech gap in the hardware itself was enough to justify the price, with even high end androids having wholly inadequate performances, and I had iphones all the way up to the 5s, but that's irrelevant now, with even the midrange android beefy enough to go trough every application you can throw at them with ease.
- Hendrikto 7y ago
  Next time, read the comment you reply to before starting into a rant. Both of you think Android > Apple.
- rietta 7y ago
  And iPhones received security updates for 5 years (60 months) vs the typical 18 months or leas on Androids because carriers suck.
  - LoSboccacc 7y ago
    > because carriers suck I'm conflicted on this topic. on one hand carriers are acting like total trash about android security. on the other hand people aren't forced into a lease and can get a vanilla android one device from a lot of different vendors and enjoy faster upgrades from the vendor and extended upgrades from projects like lineageos. I think the root cause is the general populace voting with their wallet in a way that doesn't align with the best practices as seen from a more security conscious mindset. however this issue intersects weirdly with budgeting and upgrading frequency. bar consideration on used market depreciation, one iphone purchase can get you 3 midrange android phones, so for the same budget you'd be more or less on the same os "freshness" for a comparable period of time, so to say, with increasingly better hardware and fresher batteries (because if you take 5 years as a iOS device lifetime you'll be hit by battery and subsequent performance degradation, likely twice), and of course if one has the budget to change device every year the issue disappears regardless of the platform. as long as one can avoid carriers devices, I guess.
    - rietta 7y ago
      I think of phones as a 3 year replacement cycle. Though I am in year 4 with my 6s now. I get the manufacturer's original warranty plus the additional 2 years of repair or replace from my American Express card. One upside of keeping longer is that I am personally contributing less to the e-Waste problem than if I went through an Android phone per year. So ballpark math, a $900 iPhone XR would be covered by either Apple or American Express for 36 months and cost me $25/month to maintain. I effectively run a leasing program for myself inside my small business budget.
orky56 7y ago
OS?
- LoSboccacc 7y ago
  I'm lucky enough to be on Android One, so the only contact point I've with Android OS is the notifications and every now and then the settings app, everything else I've replaced, from the launcher to alarm application to the browser. People care of iOS mostly because they're forced to interact with iOS bundled apps daily and well, if you compare those bundled app with the mess that's on non Android One devices Apple comes on top, but there are other choices.
teekert 7y ago
Privacy? Have you read what Play services sends home?