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Perhaps Apple too. "Apple hasn’t provided any information on the matter and did not respond to requests for comment. But analysts said the most likely interpre

Perhaps Apple too. "Apple hasn’t provided any information on the matter and did not respond to requests for comment. But analysts said the most likely interpretation is that the company is giving Beijing access to its operating system source code in return for being able to continue to do business in China—arguably Apple’s most important market, but one that has been imperiled by regulatory obstacles" https://qz.com/332059/apple-is-reportedly-giving-the-chinese-government-access-to-its-devices-for-a-security-assessment/ https://qz.com/332059/apple-is-reportedly-giving-the-chinese...

metildaa 7y ago
Darwin is already open source, albeit Apple does a code dump every few years iirc: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)
- Kostic 7y ago
  Darwin is just one piece of the puzzle. macOS is much more than it's kernel.
- module0000 7y ago
  Darwin doesn't even remotely resemble MacOS. It's the kernel and open-sourced user-land components. It resembles(but is not at all) a very old FreeBSD-ish system if loaded.
  - hiram112 7y ago
    Just out of curiosity, what else if not the kernel would be interesting to copy from MacOS? I use a Mac but just don't have the inclination to learn about it under the hood (unlike Linux). Besides the various apps they include and the graphical / window system, I can think of LaunchD, drivers, but not much more that would be worth a lot to China.
    - insulanus 7y ago
      Good high-level mental mode, but it's not a clean separation like that. Think Open Source Android vs. Google's Android, or Chromium vs. Chrome. It's not just dragging and dropping some UI libraries on top. There's a ton of glue, and sticking shims into non-obvious places that make a lot of the magic happen.
    - floatboth 7y ago
      The Darwin kernel is worthless because any free Unix is better. The graphical stuff is the whole reason macOS exists.

metildaa 7y ago

Darwin is already open source, albeit Apple does a code dump every few years iirc: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)

Kostic 7y ago
Darwin is just one piece of the puzzle. macOS is much more than it's kernel.
module0000 7y ago
Darwin doesn't even remotely resemble MacOS. It's the kernel and open-sourced user-land components. It resembles(but is not at all) a very old FreeBSD-ish system if loaded.
- hiram112 7y ago
  Just out of curiosity, what else if not the kernel would be interesting to copy from MacOS? I use a Mac but just don't have the inclination to learn about it under the hood (unlike Linux). Besides the various apps they include and the graphical / window system, I can think of LaunchD, drivers, but not much more that would be worth a lot to China.
  - insulanus 7y ago
    Good high-level mental mode, but it's not a clean separation like that. Think Open Source Android vs. Google's Android, or Chromium vs. Chrome. It's not just dragging and dropping some UI libraries on top. There's a ton of glue, and sticking shims into non-obvious places that make a lot of the magic happen.
  - floatboth 7y ago
    The Darwin kernel is worthless because any free Unix is better. The graphical stuff is the whole reason macOS exists.