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Maybe this is because I’m not a US citizen, but why do Americans dislike China so much?̊̈ I just cannot understand why China building it’s own jets is a proble

Maybe this is because I’m not a US citizen, but why do Americans dislike China so much?̊̈ I just cannot understand why China building it’s own jets is a problem. US already builds it’s own jets and nobody hates that to the point ‘Let’s not partnership with US to not leak any info’. Why is this particular dislike to China?̊̈ Is it just the ‘Communism is bad...’ thing?̊̈ Or is it something much more?̊̈

themacguffinman 7y ago
The Chinese government is authoritarian and anti-freedom of speech. As a Western person who agrees with Western values, I do not view the ascendancy of such a government to be a positive thing.
- greatpatton 7y ago
  So can you explain us why Saudi Arabia an absolute monarchy that oppress at least half of its population (women), kill everyone speaking against the king is one of the best US ally? Having such double standard undermine greatly US credibility.
  - themacguffinman 7y ago
    I don't support the US' alliance with Saudi Arabia. What's your point? What does this have to do with my dislike of China's government?
    - ptah 7y ago
      it is not about you personally, i think OP refers to american foreign policy
      - themacguffinman 7y ago
        I should rephrase: what does the US govt's alliance with Saudi Arabia's govt have to do with American/Western people's dislike of the Chinese govt?
  - philliphaydon 7y ago
    Oil.
  - repolfx 7y ago
    There is no chance of Saudi Arabia becoming a great world power any time soon. Fear is the combination of disagreement and power. The USA may disagree with how Saudi Arabia runs things but the KSA has no real power, so it doesn't get much attention and can be an "ally of convenience".
    - pinkfoot 7y ago
      > There is no chance of Saudi Arabia becoming a great world power any time soon No in the conventional sense, but they have spread their ideology to such an extent that most people on earth won't draw a cartoon of a particular historical character using their real name. That's real power projection, all fear.
majia 7y ago
Americans always have someone to dislike. It was Soviet from 50s to 70s, Japan in 80s and early 90s, terrorists in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya in 2000s, and now it's China. I'm not sure if it is a coincidence that Americans always come across some bad guys, or finding an enemy is a necessity to justify US military industrial complex.
threezero 7y ago
I dislike China for running concentration camps for Muslims, organ harvesting, social scores, no free speech, and having made Xi a dictator for life. I’m pretty sure Americans have a lot of other reasons like job losses, real estate money laundering, etc.
- rchaud 7y ago
  The US supports numerous regimes guilty of the exact things you're describing, with financial aid, military security guarantees and arms sales. What's your stance on those?
  - threezero 7y ago
    I wish we’d cut support for all of them, but none of those countries are the economic threat that China is.
    - rchaud 7y ago
      China's economic threat has magnified several fold because the US has spent the past 2 decades mired in conflicts that have been stoked by its allies in Saudi Arabia. Meanwhile, China has had a free hand in developing trade relations with its neighbouring states and African countries, further weakening the US' position there. Whatever billions the US has earned selling weapons to KSA are a drop in the bucket compared to what it's spent in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Libya and Pakistan. These are all countries where KSA has funded extremist political movements that continue to destabilize the region.
chvid 7y ago
Westerners dislike Chinese because they challenge us in our perceived superiority. This goes for all aspect of society. From how we raise our children to how big ecological challenges are met. Plus right now in the US. There is the upcoming election where I think Trump has figured out he can win by being tough on China and the slew articles you are seeing is a part of a political campaign.
notacoward 7y ago
> I just cannot understand why China building it’s own jets is a problem. Even if China building its own jets isn't a problem, China building jets based on US designs (acquired through Israel IIRC) is a problem. That expensive design process was underwritten by the US government - i.e. by the taxpayers - to achieve the strategic goal of maintaining a certain balance of military power. If those designs then end up in the hands of our rivals, then the taxpayers' money was totally wasted. BTW this has nothing to with whether the strategic goal is valid, whether that money should have been spent, etc. My own answers to those questions would tend to be negative. What I'm getting at is that having the designs leaked or stolen destroys even what value might have existed in the minds of proponents.
- nottorp 7y ago
  History repeats itself: https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/12/06/we-were-pirates-too/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/12/06/we-were-pirates-too/ :)

themacguffinman 7y ago

The Chinese government is authoritarian and anti-freedom of speech. As a Western person who agrees with Western values, I do not view the ascendancy of such a government to be a positive thing.

greatpatton 7y ago
So can you explain us why Saudi Arabia an absolute monarchy that oppress at least half of its population (women), kill everyone speaking against the king is one of the best US ally? Having such double standard undermine greatly US credibility.
- themacguffinman 7y ago
  I don't support the US' alliance with Saudi Arabia. What's your point? What does this have to do with my dislike of China's government?
  - ptah 7y ago
    it is not about you personally, i think OP refers to american foreign policy
    - themacguffinman 7y ago
      I should rephrase: what does the US govt's alliance with Saudi Arabia's govt have to do with American/Western people's dislike of the Chinese govt?
- philliphaydon 7y ago
  Oil.
- repolfx 7y ago
  There is no chance of Saudi Arabia becoming a great world power any time soon. Fear is the combination of disagreement and power. The USA may disagree with how Saudi Arabia runs things but the KSA has no real power, so it doesn't get much attention and can be an "ally of convenience".
  - pinkfoot 7y ago
    > There is no chance of Saudi Arabia becoming a great world power any time soon No in the conventional sense, but they have spread their ideology to such an extent that most people on earth won't draw a cartoon of a particular historical character using their real name. That's real power projection, all fear.

majia 7y ago

Americans always have someone to dislike. It was Soviet from 50s to 70s, Japan in 80s and early 90s, terrorists in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya in 2000s, and now it's China. I'm not sure if it is a coincidence that Americans always come across some bad guys, or finding an enemy is a necessity to justify US military industrial complex.

threezero 7y ago

I dislike China for running concentration camps for Muslims, organ harvesting, social scores, no free speech, and having made Xi a dictator for life. I’m pretty sure Americans have a lot of other reasons like job losses, real estate money laundering, etc.

rchaud 7y ago
The US supports numerous regimes guilty of the exact things you're describing, with financial aid, military security guarantees and arms sales. What's your stance on those?
- threezero 7y ago
  I wish we’d cut support for all of them, but none of those countries are the economic threat that China is.
  - rchaud 7y ago
    China's economic threat has magnified several fold because the US has spent the past 2 decades mired in conflicts that have been stoked by its allies in Saudi Arabia. Meanwhile, China has had a free hand in developing trade relations with its neighbouring states and African countries, further weakening the US' position there. Whatever billions the US has earned selling weapons to KSA are a drop in the bucket compared to what it's spent in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Libya and Pakistan. These are all countries where KSA has funded extremist political movements that continue to destabilize the region.

chvid 7y ago

Westerners dislike Chinese because they challenge us in our perceived superiority. This goes for all aspect of society. From how we raise our children to how big ecological challenges are met. Plus right now in the US. There is the upcoming election where I think Trump has figured out he can win by being tough on China and the slew articles you are seeing is a part of a political campaign.

notacoward 7y ago

> I just cannot understand why China building it’s own jets is a problem. Even if China building its own jets isn't a problem, China building jets based on US designs (acquired through Israel IIRC) is a problem. That expensive design process was underwritten by the US government - i.e. by the taxpayers - to achieve the strategic goal of maintaining a certain balance of military power. If those designs then end up in the hands of our rivals, then the taxpayers' money was totally wasted. BTW this has nothing to with whether the strategic goal is valid, whether that money should have been spent, etc. My own answers to those questions would tend to be negative. What I'm getting at is that having the designs leaked or stolen destroys even what value might have existed in the minds of proponents.

nottorp 7y ago
History repeats itself: https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/12/06/we-were-pirates-too/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/12/06/we-were-pirates-too/ :)