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Yes, it's definitely divisive. In my case, I do need a reliable keyboard, I do not have a single USB-C device around me that I can connect (while having literal

by jwr 7y ago

Yes, it's definitely divisive. In my case, I do need a reliable keyboard, I do not have a single USB-C device around me that I can connect (while having literally tens of USB-A devices), I do not need or want the touchbar, I want the function keys, and I don't mind the extra thickness. The new macbooks make all the wrong compromises for me. So, if it is divisive, why not make both kinds? Why does there need to be a single compromise across the entire line? I hate the fact that I am reduced to living in fear of what will be taken away the next time they present a computer. I find it bizarre that we have pretty much accepted that we need to give something up for the "new thin and light", and we just wonder what it's going to be and explain to ourselves how we didn't really need all those USB ports or headphone ports after all. Also, magsafe saved my bacon many times, and I'm looking at a USB-C connector on my wife's laptop and its so worn out that the plug is almost falling out. Magsafe was a much better solution.

kevin_thibedeau 7y ago
If you're living in fear maybe you should stop being their customer.
- jwr 7y ago
  Oh, I would really like to! Believe me, I'm considering it regularly. And yet: nobody else comes close in terms of providing me with a complete ecosystem where I can get things done. And I do know: I regularly use both Windows and Linux. I wish there was a serious competitor to Apple.
mstade 7y ago
> So, if it is divisive, why not make both kinds? Why does there need to be a single compromise across the entire line? I’m guessing because it’s probably cheaper and easier to produce fewer models, and not enough benefit to producing more. It obviously rubs some people the wrong way, but perhaps not nearly enough, no matter how vocal they may be.
- alexis_fr 7y ago
  The crux today is the OS. It’s gotten to the point that I’d pay 300$ per computer per year for a paid Linux that makes... me... feel b... beautiful, I know it sounds very immature but macOS makes me feel like I have succeeded in life and can afford the right tool, and Linux makes me feel like I have a knock-off that I constantly need to debug. I’m paying that price for IntelliJ so I don’t see why I couldn’t afford an OS for employees. But $300 per year is more or less the prime for Apple products, but the drawback is their hardware loses features.
  - jwr 7y ago
    I would pay $300/year just for Linux that has working copy/paste, with consistent shortcuts and behavior across the system.
jeremyjh 7y ago
> So, if it is divisive, why not make both kinds? I doubt they sell enough Macbook Pros for it to ever make sense to make multiple "editions" like that; I doubt they'd get that many more sales. If you are a software developer you really don't have to buy a Mac these days. Linux is great on Dell and Lenovo laptops and they offer a lot more selection.
- AndyPa32 7y ago
  I'm a software developer that has recently switched from Mac to Linux. Some colleagues have switched as well. For me the primary reason was, that at the time of the switch the MBP was only available with 16GB RAM - just like the MBP I had purchased five years before. There was nothing "Pro" about that. That was last year. Never regretted the switch. For work related stuff Linux is optimal. Docker for Mac alone is the pest.

by jwr 7y ago

kevin_thibedeau 7y ago

If you're living in fear maybe you should stop being their customer.

jwr 7y ago
Oh, I would really like to! Believe me, I'm considering it regularly. And yet: nobody else comes close in terms of providing me with a complete ecosystem where I can get things done. And I do know: I regularly use both Windows and Linux. I wish there was a serious competitor to Apple.

mstade 7y ago

> So, if it is divisive, why not make both kinds? Why does there need to be a single compromise across the entire line? I’m guessing because it’s probably cheaper and easier to produce fewer models, and not enough benefit to producing more. It obviously rubs some people the wrong way, but perhaps not nearly enough, no matter how vocal they may be.

alexis_fr 7y ago
The crux today is the OS. It’s gotten to the point that I’d pay 300$ per computer per year for a paid Linux that makes... me... feel b... beautiful, I know it sounds very immature but macOS makes me feel like I have succeeded in life and can afford the right tool, and Linux makes me feel like I have a knock-off that I constantly need to debug. I’m paying that price for IntelliJ so I don’t see why I couldn’t afford an OS for employees. But $300 per year is more or less the prime for Apple products, but the drawback is their hardware loses features.
- jwr 7y ago
  I would pay $300/year just for Linux that has working copy/paste, with consistent shortcuts and behavior across the system.

jeremyjh 7y ago

> So, if it is divisive, why not make both kinds? I doubt they sell enough Macbook Pros for it to ever make sense to make multiple "editions" like that; I doubt they'd get that many more sales. If you are a software developer you really don't have to buy a Mac these days. Linux is great on Dell and Lenovo laptops and they offer a lot more selection.

AndyPa32 7y ago
I'm a software developer that has recently switched from Mac to Linux. Some colleagues have switched as well. For me the primary reason was, that at the time of the switch the MBP was only available with 16GB RAM - just like the MBP I had purchased five years before. There was nothing "Pro" about that. That was last year. Never regretted the switch. For work related stuff Linux is optimal. Docker for Mac alone is the pest.