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Genuine question: Who cares? I love design, and I love the engineering Apple has done, but, I've got to believe that Apple keep their aesthetic without keeping

Genuine question: Who cares? I love design, and I love the engineering Apple has done, but, I've got to believe that Apple keep their aesthetic without keeping the same exact people. I think I would count this as a win for Apple - an opportunity to change the guard and give permission for some new designers to give a critical eye to the products they make. I would love to see them take maybe 1 or 2 steps back from minimalism.

TheOtherHobbes 7y ago
It's not minimalism, it's poor minimalism. IMO Watch is just plain unattractive as a design object. Tinkering with the crown colour or the strap choices hasn't changed that. I keep waiting for it to be refined, so far not. I'm also not sold on the new(ish) font and flat UI style. They work, more or less, but there's something very bland about them. The big hits were game changers and were anything but bland - the original Bondi Blue iMac, the MBP aesthetic, the Macbooks including the Air, and the iPhone. Good design integrates form without breaking function, and that hasn't been the case with the not-really-working keyboards, the touchbar, the bottom charge port on the Magic Mouse, the death of the headphone jack, the end of MagSafe, the missing ports on too many laptop models, and others. I don't know which of those Ive was responsible for. I suppose we'll find out over the next few years.
- urbanjunkie 7y ago
  You're pompous and yet irrelevant.
- abakker 7y ago
  I tend to agree with you - at some point the whole "take everything away that you can do without" became "do without". my MacBook pro is great, but I would love more ports. I don't care as much about weight, I'd happily do with more battery, and more keyboard travel. Generally, when I think of "Pro" I'm thinking of more features, not just the same features but more powerful. I would think that pros actually have different needs, and that their tools would have different functions to suit. As you said, we'll see.
  - leadingthenet 7y ago
    > I would think that pros actually have different needs, and that their tools would have different functions to suit. I would argue that the new Mac Pro is definitely a step in that direction.

TheOtherHobbes 7y ago

It's not minimalism, it's poor minimalism. IMO Watch is just plain unattractive as a design object. Tinkering with the crown colour or the strap choices hasn't changed that. I keep waiting for it to be refined, so far not. I'm also not sold on the new(ish) font and flat UI style. They work, more or less, but there's something very bland about them. The big hits were game changers and were anything but bland - the original Bondi Blue iMac, the MBP aesthetic, the Macbooks including the Air, and the iPhone. Good design integrates form without breaking function, and that hasn't been the case with the not-really-working keyboards, the touchbar, the bottom charge port on the Magic Mouse, the death of the headphone jack, the end of MagSafe, the missing ports on too many laptop models, and others. I don't know which of those Ive was responsible for. I suppose we'll find out over the next few years.

urbanjunkie 7y ago
You're pompous and yet irrelevant.
abakker 7y ago
I tend to agree with you - at some point the whole "take everything away that you can do without" became "do without". my MacBook pro is great, but I would love more ports. I don't care as much about weight, I'd happily do with more battery, and more keyboard travel. Generally, when I think of "Pro" I'm thinking of more features, not just the same features but more powerful. I would think that pros actually have different needs, and that their tools would have different functions to suit. As you said, we'll see.
- leadingthenet 7y ago
  > I would think that pros actually have different needs, and that their tools would have different functions to suit. I would argue that the new Mac Pro is definitely a step in that direction.