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I don't remember punk lyrics focusing on drugs and violence any more than mainstream rock did. (Which, admittedly, was also blamed for those things.) Which band

I don't remember punk lyrics focusing on drugs and violence any more than mainstream rock did. (Which, admittedly, was also blamed for those things.) Which bands/songs are you thinking of? I'm assuming you have some in mind, and aren't just parroting stereotypes? Also, are you sure you've got the cause-and-effect right way 'round? Delinquents do seem to like punk, but that doesn't mean that punk made them delinquent.

jyrkesh 7y ago
The way I read his comment, the music "invokes" the violence via live shows. If you've ever been to a punk show, there's a lot of violence going on in the audience/pit. I don't think it's a crazy leap to say that people who enjoy beating the crap out of each other in a sweaty pit might be disproportionately inclined towards beating people up outside that pit.
- PhasmaFelis 7y ago
  Huh, you think that's it? They're actually saying "mosh pits make you a violent druggie"? That's...actually even sillier, honestly. I fuckin' loved a good mosh when I was a teen, and I was a kid who never, ever started a fight, and froze up when someone started one with me. I know the pit looks like a brawl, but at every show I went to it was more like a contact sport with no points where everyone wins. If someone fell down, everyone who saw it gathered to help them up and keep folks from tripping until they were back on their feet. One time a flailing dude caught me in the face with an elbow so hard I staggered and saw stars. He immediately stopped, grabbed my shoulders, and yelled, "dude, are you okay?" He waited for me to nod before he smiled and went back to doing his thing. It was all good. I know there's guys out there who jump in the pit throwing fists. I can't speak for every scene, but where I come from those guys got shoved out of the pit until they got the point. It's not about winning.
  - mustacheemperor 7y ago
    I read the post to suggest correlation, not causation. To your other points, a close friend of mine loved to mosh as a younger man too, and at his last warped tour he tripped and fell. Unlike the shows you described, everyone who saw it kept jumping and smashing into each other for minutes while his companions struggled to get him to his feet. His head was beaten into the ground repeatedly by people's feet, fracturing his skull. He's still physically scarred and cognitively not the same and years later it seems like that will linger forever. I wanted to share this counterpoint to your post because I think there is validity to your perspective but it is not fully reflective of reality.
    - PhasmaFelis 7y ago
      Fair enough. I'm sorry that happened to your friend.
    - hutzlibu 7y ago
      Was that punk as well? Sounds more like hardcore/hatecore etc. Usual punk or metal mosh is full of adrenaline and sometimes too many uncoordinated drunk people, who can be dangerous, but I never experienced people intentionally hurting others.
setzamora 7y ago
Reminds me of the song by Lyte Funky Ones (LFO) New kids on the block had a bunch of hits Chinese food makes me sick And I think it's fly When girls stop by For the summer For the summer

jyrkesh 7y ago

The way I read his comment, the music "invokes" the violence via live shows. If you've ever been to a punk show, there's a lot of violence going on in the audience/pit. I don't think it's a crazy leap to say that people who enjoy beating the crap out of each other in a sweaty pit might be disproportionately inclined towards beating people up outside that pit.

PhasmaFelis 7y ago
Huh, you think that's it? They're actually saying "mosh pits make you a violent druggie"? That's...actually even sillier, honestly. I fuckin' loved a good mosh when I was a teen, and I was a kid who never, ever started a fight, and froze up when someone started one with me. I know the pit looks like a brawl, but at every show I went to it was more like a contact sport with no points where everyone wins. If someone fell down, everyone who saw it gathered to help them up and keep folks from tripping until they were back on their feet. One time a flailing dude caught me in the face with an elbow so hard I staggered and saw stars. He immediately stopped, grabbed my shoulders, and yelled, "dude, are you okay?" He waited for me to nod before he smiled and went back to doing his thing. It was all good. I know there's guys out there who jump in the pit throwing fists. I can't speak for every scene, but where I come from those guys got shoved out of the pit until they got the point. It's not about winning.
- mustacheemperor 7y ago
  I read the post to suggest correlation, not causation. To your other points, a close friend of mine loved to mosh as a younger man too, and at his last warped tour he tripped and fell. Unlike the shows you described, everyone who saw it kept jumping and smashing into each other for minutes while his companions struggled to get him to his feet. His head was beaten into the ground repeatedly by people's feet, fracturing his skull. He's still physically scarred and cognitively not the same and years later it seems like that will linger forever. I wanted to share this counterpoint to your post because I think there is validity to your perspective but it is not fully reflective of reality.
  - PhasmaFelis 7y ago
    Fair enough. I'm sorry that happened to your friend.
  - hutzlibu 7y ago
    Was that punk as well? Sounds more like hardcore/hatecore etc. Usual punk or metal mosh is full of adrenaline and sometimes too many uncoordinated drunk people, who can be dangerous, but I never experienced people intentionally hurting others.

setzamora 7y ago

Reminds me of the song by Lyte Funky Ones (LFO) New kids on the block had a bunch of hits Chinese food makes me sick And I think it's fly When girls stop by For the summer For the summer