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How about our friends and family? Should we configure a VPN for them too? Btw the argument you just made applies to any form of surveillance or censorship. Jus

How about our friends and family? Should we configure a VPN for them too? Btw the argument you just made applies to any form of surveillance or censorship. Just because your can still find functional VPN services for China, is China's great firewall OK? And what happens when web services start blocking VPNs? Netflix does it quite successfully. And I'm sure Cloudflare could provide such a service for free.

benreesman 7y ago
I’m not making a moral argument for the surveillance state, I wear Curve25519 on one arm and the word “citizenfour” on the other. I agree that there is a vast and almost impossible to regulate overreach by these companies. Your argument is extremely compelling. But when HN users complain about being spied on I smell a FAANG rejection letter.
- saagarjha 7y ago
  > when HN users complain about being spied on I smell a FAANG rejection letter I work at a FAANG: here’s my complaint about being spied on.
  - benreesman 7y ago
    So your comments should be at the top. You’re knowledgeable on the subject and even if we disagree that should be upweighted in a perfect world.
    - saagarjha 7y ago
      :/
- stOneskull 7y ago
  People care about others, not just themselves.
  - xg15 7y ago
    Unless the topic is affordable housing, that is.
  - benreesman 7y ago
    I agree, but search “HN levels.fyi” to understand that we’re in the minority on that.
- heartbreak 7y ago
  > But when HN users complain about being spied on I smell a FAANG rejection letter. You’re projecting Ben.
- laughinghan 7y ago
  If you think their argument is compelling, why are you insulting them? (This is a genuine question. Many of your comments have added to the discussion and I've upvoted them. But I've also downvoted many that haven't.)
- IG_Semmelweiss 7y ago
  Precautionary principle Read it. Understand it. Apply it. The burden of proof is on you/FAANGs.
KirinDave 7y ago
Just so you know, that commercial VPN is almost certainly spying on you.

benreesman 7y ago

I’m not making a moral argument for the surveillance state, I wear Curve25519 on one arm and the word “citizenfour” on the other. I agree that there is a vast and almost impossible to regulate overreach by these companies. Your argument is extremely compelling. But when HN users complain about being spied on I smell a FAANG rejection letter.

saagarjha 7y ago
> when HN users complain about being spied on I smell a FAANG rejection letter I work at a FAANG: here’s my complaint about being spied on.
- benreesman 7y ago
  So your comments should be at the top. You’re knowledgeable on the subject and even if we disagree that should be upweighted in a perfect world.
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    :/
stOneskull 7y ago
People care about others, not just themselves.
- xg15 7y ago
  Unless the topic is affordable housing, that is.
- benreesman 7y ago
  I agree, but search “HN levels.fyi” to understand that we’re in the minority on that.
heartbreak 7y ago
> But when HN users complain about being spied on I smell a FAANG rejection letter. You’re projecting Ben.
laughinghan 7y ago
If you think their argument is compelling, why are you insulting them? (This is a genuine question. Many of your comments have added to the discussion and I've upvoted them. But I've also downvoted many that haven't.)
IG_Semmelweiss 7y ago
Precautionary principle Read it. Understand it. Apply it. The burden of proof is on you/FAANGs.

KirinDave 7y ago

Just so you know, that commercial VPN is almost certainly spying on you.