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The key difference is that the Punk subculture sprung up around the music, where much of the 'rap music' was reflective (exaggerated and glamorized) of an exist
by kjeetgill 7y ago
The key difference is that the Punk subculture sprung up around the music, where much of the 'rap music' was reflective (exaggerated and glamorized) of an existing situation and subculture. I think you can still argue that violent rap music incites or inspires crime though. I think you can generally criticize effects, but you skirt the line with racism when you start projecting that too broadly.
- yters 7y agoI don't see the difference. Rap music seems to go hand in hand with the subculture. If it wasn't glamorized, I doubt it'd exist, at least to the degree it does. Same with punk. If the punk lifestyle was not glamorized through the music, then the punk subculture would not exist. My point is that it is racist to not hold all people to the same moral standard, because in effect we are saying those we do not hold accountable are not capable.
- oarabbus_ 7y agoYou are abysmally misinformed on the history of hip hop. >My point is that it is racist to not hold all people to the same moral standard, Ah, in that case you agree that _every_ American slaveowner in the South was a bad, immoral, evil person, right? Same goes for all Germans in WWII.
- yters 7y agoYes...does any sane person today think slave owners and nazis were on the correct side of morality?
- moate 7y agoMinor nit pick: All slaveowners = people who owned slaves = bad ("complicated" at best) All Germans during WWII =/= Nazis. There's plenty of great WWII era Germans who didn't support that Nazis and helped take them down. But yea, fuck Nazis.
- kjeetgill 7y agoNot that I think this is an interesting point to argue (and I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at) but yea every slave owner was bad because we're categorizing them based on the bad act: owning slaves. Not every German was a soldier let a lone a Nazi during WWII. I think there's an Axiom of Choice joke in there somewhere.
- oarabbus_ 7y agoEvery person who buys an iPhone or wears Nikes is immoral and a bad person to a degree, as these products are essentially built upon slave labor.
- yters 7y ago> these products are essentially built upon slave labor. Citation needed. AFAIK, the labor is entirely voluntary and reimbursed. Wages are much lower, but so is cost of living.
- eric_the_read 7y agoChap-hop star Mr B, The Gentleman Rhymer, wrote "Hip-Hop Was To Blame, After All", specifically addressing this attitude: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkES4anCYOw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkES4anCYOw
- yters 7y agoHip hop is different than rap. Rap as a genre tends to glorify the violence, etc. Hip hop tends to glorify a particular culture. Of the latter I am a fan. Of the former, not very much, mostly because it has become pretty boring and repetitive and has lost the creativity, clever wordplay and fun rhythm. Instead, it just substitutes sex, drugs and violence to make up for lack of substance, and sells out the African American community for the entertainment of white rich kids. That being said, a few of the newer rappers do have some poetic things to say.
- PhasmaFelis 7y agoIf you don't even know the difference between gangsta rap and rap in general, I'm not sure you're qualified to discuss the point.
- yters 7y agoI used to listen to loads of rap, gangsta rap and hip hop. The less it glorified the gang life the better it tended to be. I think the gang life glorification is just the lazy way of making content, like how people cuss when they don't have anything significant to say.