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Definitely this will be a failure case. Another failure will be "loops" where the car ends up driving the same few miles repeatedly - I've seen this failure mod

by bdamm 7y ago

Definitely this will be a failure case. Another failure will be "loops" where the car ends up driving the same few miles repeatedly - I've seen this failure mode in Google Maps as well. However, the navigator and the driver are separate components, so even if the navigator says to drive off the gaping hole in the bridge, the driver will hopefully recognize the fault and bring the car safely to a stop. But definitely we will see the "German family dies in death valley due to navigator failure" headline.

bongobongo 7y ago
If the argument is that it's OK because the driver will be there to stop the car from doing something fatally stupid, then that sort of defeats the purpose of not driving the car yourself; this isn't a "self-driving" car, it's glorified cruise control.
- LyndsySimon 7y ago
  I think the parent was referring to the automated system driving the car as the “driver”, not a human.
derekp7 7y ago
Is there any way to report corrections to Google maps? On more than one occasion, I've had a route that called for a left turn at a traffic light, try to route me into a right turn and an immediate (illegal) u-turn. In another case, my route would have logically had me cross a road (again at a traffic light), however Google maps wanted me to turn either right or left, drive for a few miles, turn into a subdivision to turn around and retrace the route, and then finally continue on the original road. Not to mention that it always wants me to cut across my backyard to get to a road running behind my house, instead of backing out of my driveway onto the road I live on. It isn't that I can't easily solve these problems if I'm looking at the map, but since it is incapable of having me make a left turn it will often plot an "optimal" route that is 15 minutes longer than it should be, because the real optimal route looks like it takes longer due to the routing error. Not to mention that it often confuses delivery drivers. Note, that the incorrect route typically comes from the Android version of Google maps, but if I go on the web interface the route will be ok.
- JetSpiegel 7y ago
  > Is there any way to report corrections to Google maps? Sell all your property, move to India and get a job on their equivalent version of Mechanical Turk. Or you can install OsmAnd and use the OSM dataset, which is not as comprehensive, but it doesn't many lies. At most, outdated data.
  - sb057 7y ago
    If you ignore those damned TIGER imports, at least...
  - aidenn0 7y ago
    I had OSMAnd try to navigate me to a wrong-way street (taking the offramp rather than the onramp when trying to get on the freeway on a parclo. FWIW, the data was corrected before I could get to a computer though.
- paxunix 7y ago
  Yes (at least, on desktop there is). Right click on the map where you want to fix something and select "Report a data problem". The UI will walk you through the rest.
- praptak 7y ago
  The Android app often asks me if there's a problem I'd like to report. This happens when I take a different route than the suggested one.
- acdha 7y ago
  The desktop and iOS apps have feedback reporting which I've used for that before. I got an email from them noting that my correction had been accepted and within a week or so noticed far fewer people making an illegal left turn on a major road near us.
drstewart 7y ago
>But definitely we will see the "German family dies in death valley due to navigator failure" headline. Not much different than today, then: http://www.otherhand.org/home-page/search-and-rescue/the-hunt-for-the-death-valley-germans/ http://www.otherhand.org/home-page/search-and-rescue/the-hun...
asdff 7y ago
Google would be wise to do their due diligence with routing. They have street view, routes should be scouted and scoured for areas that might be tricky to negotiate for a self driving car. It would be worth it, I imagine after a while there won't be any majorly unique routes so the effort would scale down. Plus you'd have the best quality routing data on the market.
- bdamm 7y ago
  Really it needs to be crowd sourced, which they have in the form of Waze. Otherwise the data gets stale fast.
tialaramex 7y ago
I would guess that a modern equivalent of that German family will have a mobile phone with them. And my instinct is that SDR makes it practical for phones to be able to become 406MHz COSPAS-SARSAT beacons when they need to not far in the future. A 406MHz beacon is going to be relevant to a lot of scenarios that people get into in large sparsely populated countries like the US or Australia, because it means somebody knows where you are and that you need help, and then all they've got to do is come help you.

by bdamm 7y ago

bongobongo 7y ago

If the argument is that it's OK because the driver will be there to stop the car from doing something fatally stupid, then that sort of defeats the purpose of not driving the car yourself; this isn't a "self-driving" car, it's glorified cruise control.

LyndsySimon 7y ago
I think the parent was referring to the automated system driving the car as the “driver”, not a human.

derekp7 7y ago

Is there any way to report corrections to Google maps? On more than one occasion, I've had a route that called for a left turn at a traffic light, try to route me into a right turn and an immediate (illegal) u-turn. In another case, my route would have logically had me cross a road (again at a traffic light), however Google maps wanted me to turn either right or left, drive for a few miles, turn into a subdivision to turn around and retrace the route, and then finally continue on the original road. Not to mention that it always wants me to cut across my backyard to get to a road running behind my house, instead of backing out of my driveway onto the road I live on. It isn't that I can't easily solve these problems if I'm looking at the map, but since it is incapable of having me make a left turn it will often plot an "optimal" route that is 15 minutes longer than it should be, because the real optimal route looks like it takes longer due to the routing error. Not to mention that it often confuses delivery drivers. Note, that the incorrect route typically comes from the Android version of Google maps, but if I go on the web interface the route will be ok.

JetSpiegel 7y ago
> Is there any way to report corrections to Google maps? Sell all your property, move to India and get a job on their equivalent version of Mechanical Turk. Or you can install OsmAnd and use the OSM dataset, which is not as comprehensive, but it doesn't many lies. At most, outdated data.
- sb057 7y ago
  If you ignore those damned TIGER imports, at least...
- aidenn0 7y ago
  I had OSMAnd try to navigate me to a wrong-way street (taking the offramp rather than the onramp when trying to get on the freeway on a parclo. FWIW, the data was corrected before I could get to a computer though.
paxunix 7y ago
Yes (at least, on desktop there is). Right click on the map where you want to fix something and select "Report a data problem". The UI will walk you through the rest.
praptak 7y ago
The Android app often asks me if there's a problem I'd like to report. This happens when I take a different route than the suggested one.
acdha 7y ago
The desktop and iOS apps have feedback reporting which I've used for that before. I got an email from them noting that my correction had been accepted and within a week or so noticed far fewer people making an illegal left turn on a major road near us.

drstewart 7y ago

>But definitely we will see the "German family dies in death valley due to navigator failure" headline. Not much different than today, then: http://www.otherhand.org/home-page/search-and-rescue/the-hunt-for-the-death-valley-germans/ http://www.otherhand.org/home-page/search-and-rescue/the-hun...

asdff 7y ago

Google would be wise to do their due diligence with routing. They have street view, routes should be scouted and scoured for areas that might be tricky to negotiate for a self driving car. It would be worth it, I imagine after a while there won't be any majorly unique routes so the effort would scale down. Plus you'd have the best quality routing data on the market.

bdamm 7y ago
Really it needs to be crowd sourced, which they have in the form of Waze. Otherwise the data gets stale fast.

tialaramex 7y ago

I would guess that a modern equivalent of that German family will have a mobile phone with them. And my instinct is that SDR makes it practical for phones to be able to become 406MHz COSPAS-SARSAT beacons when they need to not far in the future. A 406MHz beacon is going to be relevant to a lot of scenarios that people get into in large sparsely populated countries like the US or Australia, because it means somebody knows where you are and that you need help, and then all they've got to do is come help you.