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Same here. I do not know why the heck Mozilla is tiptoeing from just hiring Raymond and making uBlock an integral part of firefox. Note that they already inclu

by gcbw2 7y ago

Same here. I do not know why the heck Mozilla is tiptoeing from just hiring Raymond and making uBlock an integral part of firefox. Note that they already included something similar, which is SafeBrowsing(TM), that is maintained by google. Technically, it is exactly the same concept. But uBlock is actively request by 99% of their users, while safeBrowser(TM) fingerprinting is mostly disabled by half.

Touche 7y ago
Pure speculation, I wonder if their contract with Google forbids them from having ad blocking as part of the browser. At least if I was a company paying another company millions of dollars I wouldn't let them block my income stream in their product.
- ChrisSD 7y ago
  They already have an adblocker built in (well a tracking blocker but that often amounts to the same thing).
- tssva 7y ago
  Mozilla also didn't have ad blocking when their contract was with Yahoo.
silon42 7y ago
plugins are better (I use uMatrix).
- gcbw2 7y ago
  uBlock origin is turning into uMatrix, even on mobile (fenec) Firefox. Sneakily ;)
sciurus 7y ago
I think the better comparison than SafeBrowsing for uBlock would be Firefox's Enhanced Tracking Protection, which is on by default. This uses data maintained by Disconnect. (Disclaimer: I work for Mozilla)
- gcbw2 7y ago
  Not really. Advanced users can selectively disable Javascript/frames/media etc on a per-site basis. Also the user has the control to allow trackers on site they care about and know the consequences. I am sorry but tracking protection on mozilla as it is now (only enabled by default on private windows, and hapening with no user knowledge/information/learning oportunities) is a lame clutch.
  - eco 7y ago
    It's actually on by default now as of this month.
bobajeff 7y ago
I'm pretty sure the main reason is that all websites with block them and tell you to install Chrome if they ever did. Outside of that I'm sure turning ad blocking on by default would break several sites. Also publicly, they've said that ads are an integral part of the web.
- gcbw2 7y ago
  Fine. ship it off. This is not a valid excuse. What's the difference of shipping a feature off, and shipping with support for an extension (on both firefox and Google's chrome store sites!) that can be installed? At this point we are just discussing semantics. Install vs Turn on.
darkpuma 7y ago
uBlock Origin and uMatrix in particular are fantastic addons, but I think the UX is still too much for the average casual non-technical user. I wish they'd focus more on getting the UX of containers up to snuff. They are almost there, but still far enough away to make addons like Multi-Account Containers (MAC) something I cannot recommend to my parents. Here is what I mean: Suppose I want to keep my use of example.com separate in it's own Example container. How do I do that? 1) Click the MAC icon in the toolbar, then click the "+" button. 2) Enter 'Example', pick an icon or color, then click okay. 3) Open a new Example container. 4) Navigate to example.com in the Example container 5) Click the MAC icon in the toolbar, then check "Always open in Example" 6) Close the tab. 7) Open a new tab, and browse to example.com 8) Click "Remember my decision" 9) Click "Open in Example container" This is nuts. I can't recommend this workflow to anybody.

by gcbw2 7y ago

Touche 7y ago

Pure speculation, I wonder if their contract with Google forbids them from having ad blocking as part of the browser. At least if I was a company paying another company millions of dollars I wouldn't let them block my income stream in their product.

ChrisSD 7y ago
They already have an adblocker built in (well a tracking blocker but that often amounts to the same thing).
tssva 7y ago
Mozilla also didn't have ad blocking when their contract was with Yahoo.

silon42 7y ago

plugins are better (I use uMatrix).

gcbw2 7y ago
uBlock origin is turning into uMatrix, even on mobile (fenec) Firefox. Sneakily ;)

sciurus 7y ago

I think the better comparison than SafeBrowsing for uBlock would be Firefox's Enhanced Tracking Protection, which is on by default. This uses data maintained by Disconnect. (Disclaimer: I work for Mozilla)

gcbw2 7y ago
Not really. Advanced users can selectively disable Javascript/frames/media etc on a per-site basis. Also the user has the control to allow trackers on site they care about and know the consequences. I am sorry but tracking protection on mozilla as it is now (only enabled by default on private windows, and hapening with no user knowledge/information/learning oportunities) is a lame clutch.
- eco 7y ago
  It's actually on by default now as of this month.

bobajeff 7y ago

I'm pretty sure the main reason is that all websites with block them and tell you to install Chrome if they ever did. Outside of that I'm sure turning ad blocking on by default would break several sites. Also publicly, they've said that ads are an integral part of the web.

gcbw2 7y ago
Fine. ship it off. This is not a valid excuse. What's the difference of shipping a feature off, and shipping with support for an extension (on both firefox and Google's chrome store sites!) that can be installed? At this point we are just discussing semantics. Install vs Turn on.

darkpuma 7y ago

uBlock Origin and uMatrix in particular are fantastic addons, but I think the UX is still too much for the average casual non-technical user. I wish they'd focus more on getting the UX of containers up to snuff. They are almost there, but still far enough away to make addons like Multi-Account Containers (MAC) something I cannot recommend to my parents. Here is what I mean: Suppose I want to keep my use of example.com separate in it's own Example container. How do I do that? 1) Click the MAC icon in the toolbar, then click the "+" button. 2) Enter 'Example', pick an icon or color, then click okay. 3) Open a new Example container. 4) Navigate to example.com in the Example container 5) Click the MAC icon in the toolbar, then check "Always open in Example" 6) Close the tab. 7) Open a new tab, and browse to example.com 8) Click "Remember my decision" 9) Click "Open in Example container" This is nuts. I can't recommend this workflow to anybody.