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Still no pull to refresh. They really don't want users to adopt their browser. Literally every single other mobile Web browser supports it. Yet Mozilla has som

Still no pull to refresh. They really don't want users to adopt their browser. Literally every single other mobile Web browser supports it. Yet Mozilla has some ideological stance that it breaks web interaction (with what, the 0.0001% of browser that target Firefox above Safari or Chrome on mobile).

fluidcruft 7y ago
I've been using Preview as my main mobile browser (switched from Firefox Focus as my main when Mozilla announced they've abandoned Focus). The things I miss: * Firefox Focus had a very quick way to send a page to a different browser "Open in " and I'm pretty sure it actually just listed the browsers there in the menu. None of the hassling with the share menu that takes forever to load and forever to search through. I really hate using the share menu on android. Somehow it's gotten even worse and side scrolls now. I don't want to sign in to my Google account in Firefox on android, but if you set firefox as your default all the login redirects go there. I think on Focus you could just tap "Open page in Chrome" and it would just punt it along and everything worked when needed. * Lastpass app annoyances. Lastpass just matches the Firefox app itself rather than the site I'm viewing. Which is annoying but not a huge deal. I'm not sure whether lastpass worked in Focus though. Focus was like a staging area before going to a full browser. Overall I'm pretty happy with Preview. I really liked using Focus though where it worked like a "firewall" where I could decide whether I actually wanted links opened by other apps to go into my browsing history or not. I really liked the way I learned to use Focus and I'm sad it's been abandoned. It was like "Open all links in Private mode first and then decide if you actually give enough of a shit to go further". Focus was small and easy to learn to trust.
AgloeDreams 7y ago
In fairness, that is pretty non-standard and is only done on Android as I understand.
- earenndil 7y ago
  Android is the standard, more or less, for touch interfaces. They have significantly more devices than ios, and no other touch device is more than a blip compared to those two.
  - frenchyatwork 7y ago
    Is this actually part of some standard Android HIG, or is it just a few popular apps that do this?
- steve19 7y ago
  It's not a Standard but it is the industry norm and what users expect. Mozilla caved on DRM but this is the line they won't cross?
oftenwrong 7y ago
Pull-to-refresh certainly is catching on (I expect my smartphone-addicted parents will discover it within the next 5 years), but I can also understand if there are some reservations about implementing it. What should happen when the user is interacting with the Android device via a non-touch input device, such as a mouse with a scroll wheel? Scroll-wheel-up-to-refresh? One of the worst edge cases is on sites with infinite scroll. Having to scroll up 47 pages in order to refresh is not great. It is also nice to refresh a page without losing one's place on it. For these reasons, I would like to see the refresh button remain, even if pull-to-refresh is implemented.
- reificator 7y ago
  > For these reasons, I would like to see the refresh button remain, even if pull-to-refresh is implemented. I'm not aware of any browsers that implement pull to refresh and have also removed the refresh button.
ploxiln 7y ago
I've never wanted that. I really don't think this is the one think holding back firefox popularity on mobile. But luckily, firefox on android does support extensions: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/firefox-pull-to-refresh/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/firefox-pull-...
Someone1234 7y ago
Pull to refresh is why I want to move away from Chrome. It keeps going off as I scroll down a page, changing my page position or losing content. Unfortunately it cannot be disabled. The flag to disable it was removed. https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/8152831?hl=en https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/8152831?hl=en
- m-p-3 7y ago
  I want that, but they should add a flag for it.
- steve19 7y ago
  How does it go off when you scroll down? Does chrome refresh when you also hit the bottom?
neop1x 7y ago
this is a perfect candidate for abou:config variable but there is o about:config and eho knows if there is going to be one...

fluidcruft 7y ago

I've been using Preview as my main mobile browser (switched from Firefox Focus as my main when Mozilla announced they've abandoned Focus). The things I miss: * Firefox Focus had a very quick way to send a page to a different browser "Open in " and I'm pretty sure it actually just listed the browsers there in the menu. None of the hassling with the share menu that takes forever to load and forever to search through. I really hate using the share menu on android. Somehow it's gotten even worse and side scrolls now. I don't want to sign in to my Google account in Firefox on android, but if you set firefox as your default all the login redirects go there. I think on Focus you could just tap "Open page in Chrome" and it would just punt it along and everything worked when needed. * Lastpass app annoyances. Lastpass just matches the Firefox app itself rather than the site I'm viewing. Which is annoying but not a huge deal. I'm not sure whether lastpass worked in Focus though. Focus was like a staging area before going to a full browser. Overall I'm pretty happy with Preview. I really liked using Focus though where it worked like a "firewall" where I could decide whether I actually wanted links opened by other apps to go into my browsing history or not. I really liked the way I learned to use Focus and I'm sad it's been abandoned. It was like "Open all links in Private mode first and then decide if you actually give enough of a shit to go further". Focus was small and easy to learn to trust.

AgloeDreams 7y ago

In fairness, that is pretty non-standard and is only done on Android as I understand.

earenndil 7y ago
Android is the standard, more or less, for touch interfaces. They have significantly more devices than ios, and no other touch device is more than a blip compared to those two.
- frenchyatwork 7y ago
  Is this actually part of some standard Android HIG, or is it just a few popular apps that do this?
steve19 7y ago
It's not a Standard but it is the industry norm and what users expect. Mozilla caved on DRM but this is the line they won't cross?

oftenwrong 7y ago

Pull-to-refresh certainly is catching on (I expect my smartphone-addicted parents will discover it within the next 5 years), but I can also understand if there are some reservations about implementing it. What should happen when the user is interacting with the Android device via a non-touch input device, such as a mouse with a scroll wheel? Scroll-wheel-up-to-refresh? One of the worst edge cases is on sites with infinite scroll. Having to scroll up 47 pages in order to refresh is not great. It is also nice to refresh a page without losing one's place on it. For these reasons, I would like to see the refresh button remain, even if pull-to-refresh is implemented.

reificator 7y ago
> For these reasons, I would like to see the refresh button remain, even if pull-to-refresh is implemented. I'm not aware of any browsers that implement pull to refresh and have also removed the refresh button.

ploxiln 7y ago

I've never wanted that. I really don't think this is the one think holding back firefox popularity on mobile. But luckily, firefox on android does support extensions: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/firefox-pull-to-refresh/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/firefox-pull-...

Someone1234 7y ago

Pull to refresh is why I want to move away from Chrome. It keeps going off as I scroll down a page, changing my page position or losing content. Unfortunately it cannot be disabled. The flag to disable it was removed. https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/8152831?hl=en https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/8152831?hl=en

m-p-3 7y ago
I want that, but they should add a flag for it.
steve19 7y ago
How does it go off when you scroll down? Does chrome refresh when you also hit the bottom?

neop1x 7y ago

this is a perfect candidate for abou:config variable but there is o about:config and eho knows if there is going to be one...