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I feel like this will fuel a spike in piracy. I used to think piracy was motivated by entirely by cost, but I can envision folks resorting to torrents to avoid

I feel like this will fuel a spike in piracy. I used to think piracy was motivated by entirely by cost, but I can envision folks resorting to torrents to avoid a morass of confusing services.

0815test 7y ago
Disruption from below is more likely to be a big factor, I'd say. Why even bother with expensive streaming TV when cheaper stuff like YouTube/Vimeo (and perhaps PeerTube/DTube in the future) is just as popular?
- x2f10 7y ago
  Don't forget Twitch.
me_me_me 7y ago
There was a study showing its happening already. It really is all about convenience at fair price. Also piracy is really the only thing that keeps the media corps in check, when it comes to pricing.
somehnguy 7y ago
Already happening for me and a bunch of people I know. I was happy paying for 1 service a month (Netflix) and having everything there. Then the studios started pulling their content for their own streaming services. I'm not signing up for a handful of subpar streaming services just because the studios got greedy. Netflix worked and worked really well. So I got a Usenet subscription and a couple 6TB hard drives. Setup Plex/Radarr/Sonarr/SabNZBD and grabbed all the seasons of the shows I like to watch. For future episodes it is all completely automated. I just select shows I want to watch and the system finds them as soon as they're available every week, downloads, imports into Plex, and sends me a Slack notification. Some tech challenged family members have even come to me requesting a duplicate setup, a clear sign that this fragmented nonsense is not good.
- quantumOctopus 7y ago
  That's some really nice setup! I'm gonna try it out soon as well. I have a question, I have a VPN as well but I don't wanna be connected to a VPN all the time, I only want my torrent manager go through a VPN while any other app is not. Is this achievable? Are you on a VPN constantly?
  - somehnguy 7y ago
    Thanks! I can't recommend it enough. As for the VPN part yeah you'll definitely want a VPN if you use torrents for the download source. For my setup I have Radarr/Sonarr set to prefer Usenet and only resort to the torrent if it can't find a release after 24 hours. Just because Usenet eliminates the problem of having a single seeder uploading at 1kb/s and things like that. I would highly recommend grabbing a Usenet subscription if you're setting this system up. In SabNZBD you can setup which provider you prefer and then it goes down the list. My #1 is Newshosting.com, then Eweka.nl (they follow a different DMCA process so chance of a completed download is higher if a chunk is missing from Newshosting. SAB will use all sources to find missing pieces of the file automatically), then a 50GB block at Tweaknews, and finally a free trial block account at Usenet.farm. I am rambling at this point, if you want more info on this part feel free to ask. As for your actual question - I have everything in Docker containers running on OpenMediaVault on a server in my house. I use the 'docker-transmission-openvpn' container as a self contained unit, it handles setting up the VPN connection for that container only so that the whole server isn't behind a VPN. For a provider I've had great luck with PIA for the last couple years, they don't care about torrenting. For Usenet downloads no VPN is needed. I hand rolled this setup with a bunch of pre-made docker containers and configuring them myself. Someone else I know has a similar setup based on 'Cloudbox' (on Github) and that seems to be working well for him too.
    - quantumOctopus 7y ago
      You just up opened up a new world to me. I didn't even know what Usenet was and thought torrents were the only possible choice. I'm gonna try it out this weekend!! Thank you again!
  - 7y ago
mhh__ 7y ago
Guaranteed. The combination of torrents and DLNA is easy to do on android and is (in my experience) much better than all but Netflix's built-in streaming
xtracto 7y ago
Speaking of piracy, I´ve heard amazing things about IPTV.
Nextgrid 7y ago
I ended up torrenting a movie the other day because I couldn’t find it on any major streaming service. Cost wasn’t an issue, I literally paid for a month’s worth of both Netflix and Now TV just to log in and search for the movie there, without success. Ended up torrenting it - the whole process was a lot faster than even trying to get it legally. The industry is broken. Even when you want to pay money they can’t be bothered to match the user experience of piracy.

I feel like this will fuel a spike in piracy. I used to think piracy was motivated by entirely by cost, but I can envision folks resorting to torrents to avoid a morass of confusing services.

0815test 7y ago

Disruption from below is more likely to be a big factor, I'd say. Why even bother with expensive streaming TV when cheaper stuff like YouTube/Vimeo (and perhaps PeerTube/DTube in the future) is just as popular?

x2f10 7y ago
Don't forget Twitch.

me_me_me 7y ago

There was a study showing its happening already. It really is all about convenience at fair price. Also piracy is really the only thing that keeps the media corps in check, when it comes to pricing.

somehnguy 7y ago

Already happening for me and a bunch of people I know. I was happy paying for 1 service a month (Netflix) and having everything there. Then the studios started pulling their content for their own streaming services. I'm not signing up for a handful of subpar streaming services just because the studios got greedy. Netflix worked and worked really well. So I got a Usenet subscription and a couple 6TB hard drives. Setup Plex/Radarr/Sonarr/SabNZBD and grabbed all the seasons of the shows I like to watch. For future episodes it is all completely automated. I just select shows I want to watch and the system finds them as soon as they're available every week, downloads, imports into Plex, and sends me a Slack notification. Some tech challenged family members have even come to me requesting a duplicate setup, a clear sign that this fragmented nonsense is not good.

quantumOctopus 7y ago
That's some really nice setup! I'm gonna try it out soon as well. I have a question, I have a VPN as well but I don't wanna be connected to a VPN all the time, I only want my torrent manager go through a VPN while any other app is not. Is this achievable? Are you on a VPN constantly?
- somehnguy 7y ago
  Thanks! I can't recommend it enough. As for the VPN part yeah you'll definitely want a VPN if you use torrents for the download source. For my setup I have Radarr/Sonarr set to prefer Usenet and only resort to the torrent if it can't find a release after 24 hours. Just because Usenet eliminates the problem of having a single seeder uploading at 1kb/s and things like that. I would highly recommend grabbing a Usenet subscription if you're setting this system up. In SabNZBD you can setup which provider you prefer and then it goes down the list. My #1 is Newshosting.com, then Eweka.nl (they follow a different DMCA process so chance of a completed download is higher if a chunk is missing from Newshosting. SAB will use all sources to find missing pieces of the file automatically), then a 50GB block at Tweaknews, and finally a free trial block account at Usenet.farm. I am rambling at this point, if you want more info on this part feel free to ask. As for your actual question - I have everything in Docker containers running on OpenMediaVault on a server in my house. I use the 'docker-transmission-openvpn' container as a self contained unit, it handles setting up the VPN connection for that container only so that the whole server isn't behind a VPN. For a provider I've had great luck with PIA for the last couple years, they don't care about torrenting. For Usenet downloads no VPN is needed. I hand rolled this setup with a bunch of pre-made docker containers and configuring them myself. Someone else I know has a similar setup based on 'Cloudbox' (on Github) and that seems to be working well for him too.
  - quantumOctopus 7y ago
    You just up opened up a new world to me. I didn't even know what Usenet was and thought torrents were the only possible choice. I'm gonna try it out this weekend!! Thank you again!
- 7y ago

mhh__ 7y ago

Guaranteed. The combination of torrents and DLNA is easy to do on android and is (in my experience) much better than all but Netflix's built-in streaming

xtracto 7y ago

Speaking of piracy, I´ve heard amazing things about IPTV.

Nextgrid 7y ago

I ended up torrenting a movie the other day because I couldn’t find it on any major streaming service. Cost wasn’t an issue, I literally paid for a month’s worth of both Netflix and Now TV just to log in and search for the movie there, without success. Ended up torrenting it - the whole process was a lot faster than even trying to get it legally. The industry is broken. Even when you want to pay money they can’t be bothered to match the user experience of piracy.