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The other tradeoff is you're giving Google an extraordinary amount of power to decide who is allowed and not allowed on your website with no transparency on how

The other tradeoff is you're giving Google an extraordinary amount of power to decide who is allowed and not allowed on your website with no transparency on how this decision was made. Not sure what company is willing to blindly trust Google with that power.

pergadad 7y ago
Plenty of small companies/private website owners might make a simple cost/benefit calculation - 15% less users but in return X reduced false accounts/traffic/...
- nothis 7y ago
  This is a problem that has to be solved by government regulation, “the market” has already made up its mind: It doesn’t give a fuck.
  - atomicUpdate 7y ago
    What is there to regulate? Bots are already illegal and "the market" has decided it does care, which is why reCAPTCHA exists and is widely used. Those companies aren't rejecting legitimate users/customers out of spite.
  - hello_newman 7y ago
    The last thing the internet needs is "government regulation". If that were to happen, you could kiss everything you love about the internet goodbye. Governments do a horrible job regulating basically everything else other than critical, necessary services, and the jury is still out even on that one. Why would they suddenly do such a better job regulating something we're still all trying to figure out?
cyphar 7y ago
Unfortunately, the answer is (basically) all of them. Combined with CloudFlare, even websites that aren't explicitly making that decision are still opting their users into both CloudFlare and Google's tracking. I use Tor fairly regularly and it's a complete nightmare. I sometimes spend 5-15 minutes solving reCAPTCHA (since your Tor circuit changes every 10 minutes this can result in having to solve the reCAPTCHA several times).
- crankylinuxuser 7y ago
  Crummy solution, but get the FF user agent switcher in TBB. And then set it to Windows/Chrome. And all those Scroogle-captchas are easy-peasy.
  - lucb1e 7y ago
    I can't help but wonder if that's because of the nearly unique user-agent-string + user-agent-feature-detection combination, allowing it to identify you as belonging to a very small group of people.
  - byonge 7y ago
    can you expound on this? not sure I grok
    - crankylinuxuser 7y ago
      1. Download Tor Browser Bundle 2. Connect to the Tor network 3. Download a user-agent switcher in the plugin store in TBB 4. Change user-agent to "windows, chrome"
OrgNet 7y ago
Bank of America is...

pergadad 7y ago

Plenty of small companies/private website owners might make a simple cost/benefit calculation - 15% less users but in return X reduced false accounts/traffic/...

nothis 7y ago
This is a problem that has to be solved by government regulation, “the market” has already made up its mind: It doesn’t give a fuck.
- atomicUpdate 7y ago
  What is there to regulate? Bots are already illegal and "the market" has decided it does care, which is why reCAPTCHA exists and is widely used. Those companies aren't rejecting legitimate users/customers out of spite.
- hello_newman 7y ago
  The last thing the internet needs is "government regulation". If that were to happen, you could kiss everything you love about the internet goodbye. Governments do a horrible job regulating basically everything else other than critical, necessary services, and the jury is still out even on that one. Why would they suddenly do such a better job regulating something we're still all trying to figure out?

cyphar 7y ago

Unfortunately, the answer is (basically) all of them. Combined with CloudFlare, even websites that aren't explicitly making that decision are still opting their users into both CloudFlare and Google's tracking. I use Tor fairly regularly and it's a complete nightmare. I sometimes spend 5-15 minutes solving reCAPTCHA (since your Tor circuit changes every 10 minutes this can result in having to solve the reCAPTCHA several times).

crankylinuxuser 7y ago
Crummy solution, but get the FF user agent switcher in TBB. And then set it to Windows/Chrome. And all those Scroogle-captchas are easy-peasy.
- lucb1e 7y ago
  I can't help but wonder if that's because of the nearly unique user-agent-string + user-agent-feature-detection combination, allowing it to identify you as belonging to a very small group of people.
- byonge 7y ago
  can you expound on this? not sure I grok
  - crankylinuxuser 7y ago
    1. Download Tor Browser Bundle 2. Connect to the Tor network 3. Download a user-agent switcher in the plugin store in TBB 4. Change user-agent to "windows, chrome"

OrgNet 7y ago

Bank of America is...