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I don't think this is allowed under USA Amateur radio rules. > §97.113 Prohibited transmissions. > (b) An amateur station shall not engage in any form of br

by ihuman 7y ago

I don't think this is allowed under USA Amateur radio rules. > §97.113 Prohibited transmissions. > (b) An amateur station shall not engage in any form of broadcasting, nor may an amateur station transmit one-way communications except as specifically provided in these rules; nor shall an amateur station engage in any activity related to program production or news gathering for broadcasting purposes, except that communications directly related to the immediate safety of human life or the protection of property may be provided by amateur stations to broadcasters for dissemination to the public where no other means of communication is reasonably available before or at the time of the event. https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=3fe986fb082211e7284fe51ba0367f0a&node=47:5.0.1.1.6&rgn=div5 https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=3fe986fb082211e728...

rolltiide 7y ago
Or else what?
- ihuman 7y ago
  If you're a registered ham, the FCC has your address, so they can fine you or revoke the license.
  - snazz 7y ago
    And if you’re not, registered hams make a game out of finding particularly egregious pirate stations and reporting them to the FCC.
    - westmeal 7y ago
      Why do they do it though? It's not like the FCC is going to pay them for their time... I suppose if someone is really broadcasting garbage and disrupting communications then I can see the issue.
      - crankylinuxuser 7y ago
        Whackers are definitely a thing. And they'll doxx and locate you in real life. And worse yet, they'll even think they have some sort of license for 'citizens arrest', or FCC reporting. > Why do they do it though? Power tripping, primarily. > I suppose if someone is really broadcasting garbage and disrupting communications then I can see the issue. Standard disruption or otherwise will usually get you caught. But sending 200 bytes that happens to be cryptocurrency isn't likely to be found, or caught... Unless you're dumb enough to do it on a repeater (that probably records and streams online).
Lambdanaut 7y ago
Well it wouldn't be cyberpunk without breaking a few rules.
- reshie 7y ago
  cypher is encryption and punk in context means outside the box. not necessarily a criminal or outlaw.
  - nyolfen 7y ago
    >Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero knowledge, reputations, information markets, black markets, collapse of governments.
    - reshie 7y ago
      to each their own. know the difference.
- privong 7y ago
  > Well it wouldn't be cyberpunk without breaking a few rules. The title says _cypher_punk not _cyber_punk. But I'd misread it myself on the first glance.
  - Lambdanaut 7y ago
    I actually did notice that, but I decided to say cyberpunk anyways because I related more to that term.
jimktrains2 7y ago
> §97.111 Authorized transmissions. > (b) In addition to one-way transmissions specifically authorized elsewhere in this part, an amateur station may transmit the following types of one-way communications: > (1) Brief transmissions necessary to make adjustments to the station; > (2) Brief transmissions necessary to establishing two-way communications with other stations; > (3) Telecommand; > (4) Transmissions necessary to providing emergency communications; > (5) Transmissions necessary to assisting persons learning, or improving proficiency in, the international Morse code; and > (6) Transmissions necessary to disseminate information bulletins. > (7) Transmissions of telemetry. It may fall under "Transmissions necessary to disseminate information bulletins."
- wbl 7y ago
  But the information bulletins must be on the topic of amateur radio: Definition in 97.3.
  - jimktrains2 7y ago
    True. I forgot to cross reference the definitions.
- redog 7y ago
  > except that communications directly related to the protection of property may be provided by amateur stations to broadcasters for dissemination to the public where no other means of communication is reasonably available before or at the time of the event. Are transactions or "coins" property? Wouldn't this exception cover the case where you've lost internet "no other means of communication" and are protecting your transactions?
tuxxy 7y ago
Why are hams the closest thing to the equivalent of tech tattle-tales? Any time I see someone doing something neat and legally grey on radio, some ham operator has to come in, quote their understanding of the law, and chastise everyone. What's the point? Do they get to feel some sense of authority and privilege that the rest of the nerd world don't for a few minutes? Just let people do cool stuff and don't snitch.
- Mountain_Skies 7y ago
  The rules are a major part of the exam required to get a license so most hams know them well. The FCC and the ARRL make a big deal out of knowing and following the rules. It's simply part of the culture.
- duxup 7y ago
  Maybe they care about the law.
- throw20102010 7y ago
  Hams are continuously fighting to keep their spectrum (and slowly losing it to commercial interests). It is a commonly held belief that unlicensed hackers or hams breaking the law hurts the community’s arguments for keeping their spectrum. So it’s not viewed in the ham community as tattling, but rather self policing. Because if they don’t do it themselves then papa FCC is just going to take away everyone’s toys. Responsible and lawful use of radios is the name of the game. Source: I’m a general class licensed ham.
  - vvanders 7y ago
    Yup, similar thing in model rocketry circles for similar reasons.
  - someguydave 7y ago
    I’m an extra class and I’ve heard this argument my entire life. I think it’s bunk. If Congress wants to take away anything they don’t need a reason. You know what will make ham radio lose its spectrum? Have zero constituency, which will happen once we have run off anyone who wants to experiment on the edge of what is possible with ham radio.

by ihuman 7y ago

rolltiide 7y ago

Or else what?

ihuman 7y ago
If you're a registered ham, the FCC has your address, so they can fine you or revoke the license.
- snazz 7y ago
  And if you’re not, registered hams make a game out of finding particularly egregious pirate stations and reporting them to the FCC.
  - westmeal 7y ago
    Why do they do it though? It's not like the FCC is going to pay them for their time... I suppose if someone is really broadcasting garbage and disrupting communications then I can see the issue.
    - crankylinuxuser 7y ago
      Whackers are definitely a thing. And they'll doxx and locate you in real life. And worse yet, they'll even think they have some sort of license for 'citizens arrest', or FCC reporting. > Why do they do it though? Power tripping, primarily. > I suppose if someone is really broadcasting garbage and disrupting communications then I can see the issue. Standard disruption or otherwise will usually get you caught. But sending 200 bytes that happens to be cryptocurrency isn't likely to be found, or caught... Unless you're dumb enough to do it on a repeater (that probably records and streams online).

Lambdanaut 7y ago

Well it wouldn't be cyberpunk without breaking a few rules.

reshie 7y ago
cypher is encryption and punk in context means outside the box. not necessarily a criminal or outlaw.
- nyolfen 7y ago
  >Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero knowledge, reputations, information markets, black markets, collapse of governments.
  - reshie 7y ago
    to each their own. know the difference.
privong 7y ago
> Well it wouldn't be cyberpunk without breaking a few rules. The title says _cypher_punk not _cyber_punk. But I'd misread it myself on the first glance.
- Lambdanaut 7y ago
  I actually did notice that, but I decided to say cyberpunk anyways because I related more to that term.

jimktrains2 7y ago

> §97.111 Authorized transmissions. > (b) In addition to one-way transmissions specifically authorized elsewhere in this part, an amateur station may transmit the following types of one-way communications: > (1) Brief transmissions necessary to make adjustments to the station; > (2) Brief transmissions necessary to establishing two-way communications with other stations; > (3) Telecommand; > (4) Transmissions necessary to providing emergency communications; > (5) Transmissions necessary to assisting persons learning, or improving proficiency in, the international Morse code; and > (6) Transmissions necessary to disseminate information bulletins. > (7) Transmissions of telemetry. It may fall under "Transmissions necessary to disseminate information bulletins."

wbl 7y ago
But the information bulletins must be on the topic of amateur radio: Definition in 97.3.
- jimktrains2 7y ago
  True. I forgot to cross reference the definitions.
redog 7y ago
> except that communications directly related to the protection of property may be provided by amateur stations to broadcasters for dissemination to the public where no other means of communication is reasonably available before or at the time of the event. Are transactions or "coins" property? Wouldn't this exception cover the case where you've lost internet "no other means of communication" and are protecting your transactions?

tuxxy 7y ago

Why are hams the closest thing to the equivalent of tech tattle-tales? Any time I see someone doing something neat and legally grey on radio, some ham operator has to come in, quote their understanding of the law, and chastise everyone. What's the point? Do they get to feel some sense of authority and privilege that the rest of the nerd world don't for a few minutes? Just let people do cool stuff and don't snitch.

Mountain_Skies 7y ago
The rules are a major part of the exam required to get a license so most hams know them well. The FCC and the ARRL make a big deal out of knowing and following the rules. It's simply part of the culture.
duxup 7y ago
Maybe they care about the law.
throw20102010 7y ago
Hams are continuously fighting to keep their spectrum (and slowly losing it to commercial interests). It is a commonly held belief that unlicensed hackers or hams breaking the law hurts the community’s arguments for keeping their spectrum. So it’s not viewed in the ham community as tattling, but rather self policing. Because if they don’t do it themselves then papa FCC is just going to take away everyone’s toys. Responsible and lawful use of radios is the name of the game. Source: I’m a general class licensed ham.
- vvanders 7y ago
  Yup, similar thing in model rocketry circles for similar reasons.
- someguydave 7y ago
  I’m an extra class and I’ve heard this argument my entire life. I think it’s bunk. If Congress wants to take away anything they don’t need a reason. You know what will make ham radio lose its spectrum? Have zero constituency, which will happen once we have run off anyone who wants to experiment on the edge of what is possible with ham radio.