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How do you measure that? How do you know that someone will be capable of working in any 300 different frameworks?

Frost1x 7y ago
If they've used a variety of frameworks and worked on a variety of different projects with varied architectures, it's pretty easy to assume they're not only willing but capable of learning new things. I can pickup pretty much any framework in any language and start utilizing it, but I can assure you it will take me at least a few weeks of learning and using examples/templates to get in the groove of things and a month or so to start really getting into leveraging capabilities. If it's a terribly designed framework, API, or very oddly structured language, it may take a bit more time--or if its leveraged in a massive codebase you need to understand that's poorly documented (were no longer talking about the framework itself though). Of course if you're trying to measure how quick someone can pickup a framework or if they're capable of "hitting the ground running" on arbitrary framework X with arbitrary existing codebase Y with deliverables/output that assume no learning curves while having no desire investimg in long term talent retention, this approach isn't for you. If minimizing time to market is your main goal, this approach isn't for you. If you want to produce something different where time to market can still reasonable but a bit slower, this approach may be for you.
- nobodyandproud 7y ago
  This is resume padding and a red flag. The right tool for the right job AND shop, or you end up with a major maintenance nightmare.
Bartweiss 7y ago
Exactly - I would have said "how do you measure that" is the fundamental problem with tech hiring. That's an incredibly hard thing to judge by any measure short of "hire them and see".
nobodyandproud 7y ago
If you know the CS and SE fundamentals, then the frameworks are easy to pick up. Because any developer with a breadth of experience and a solid foundation can instantly see the intended use cases for said toolkits.
fredgrott 7y ago
Its an indirect measure of learning ability rather than directly asking for skills on 300 different frameworks. I say indirect because I do not see any evidence of any firm hiring this way...yes MS has stories of hiring someone based on CS or Math level skills BUT we are at a place in time where in fact due to emphasis on UX and cognitive science where Liberal Arts skills is a more important gauge of learning abilities when facing new frameworks and challenges. IMHO

If they've used a variety of frameworks and worked on a variety of different projects with varied architectures, it's pretty easy to assume they're not only willing but capable of learning new things. I can pickup pretty much any framework in any language and start utilizing it, but I can assure you it will take me at least a few weeks of learning and using examples/templates to get in the groove of things and a month or so to start really getting into leveraging capabilities. If it's a terribly designed framework, API, or very oddly structured language, it may take a bit more time--or if its leveraged in a massive codebase you need to understand that's poorly documented (were no longer talking about the framework itself though). Of course if you're trying to measure how quick someone can pickup a framework or if they're capable of "hitting the ground running" on arbitrary framework X with arbitrary existing codebase Y with deliverables/output that assume no learning curves while having no desire investimg in long term talent retention, this approach isn't for you. If minimizing time to market is your main goal, this approach isn't for you. If you want to produce something different where time to market can still reasonable but a bit slower, this approach may be for you.

nobodyandproud 7y ago
This is resume padding and a red flag. The right tool for the right job AND shop, or you end up with a major maintenance nightmare.

Bartweiss 7y ago

Exactly - I would have said "how do you measure that" is the fundamental problem with tech hiring. That's an incredibly hard thing to judge by any measure short of "hire them and see".

nobodyandproud 7y ago

If you know the CS and SE fundamentals, then the frameworks are easy to pick up. Because any developer with a breadth of experience and a solid foundation can instantly see the intended use cases for said toolkits.

fredgrott 7y ago

Its an indirect measure of learning ability rather than directly asking for skills on 300 different frameworks. I say indirect because I do not see any evidence of any firm hiring this way...yes MS has stories of hiring someone based on CS or Math level skills BUT we are at a place in time where in fact due to emphasis on UX and cognitive science where Liberal Arts skills is a more important gauge of learning abilities when facing new frameworks and challenges. IMHO