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Taking backyard literally, this is exactly the opposite of what is happening. NIMBYs are concerned far beyond their property line. If someone owns land, they sh

Taking backyard literally, this is exactly the opposite of what is happening. NIMBYs are concerned far beyond their property line. If someone owns land, they shouldn't be blocked from increasing density by someone who doesn't own that land.

irq11 7y ago
It’s simply true by definition that everyone who wants to alter zoning rules - no matter how - is telling other people what should be in their backyard. To suggest otherwise is intellectually dishonest. Your drive to change building rules mostly affects other people. ...but that’s also how our system of government works, so just own it already. What the OP is pointing out is the doublespeak nature of “YIMBY” as a rallying cry. Just be honest about what you want: unless you truly only care about what you can do with your property, what you really want is for other people to stop fighting development in their backyard, too. Trying to frame this as a drive for personal choice misses the point of the debate: the other side doesn’t care what you do in your backyard, but they sure as hell don’t want it affecting theirs. (Nothing I’m saying here is advocating for a side in this argument. If you’re downvoting me reflexively because you think I’m being “NIMBY”, you’re blinded by ideology.)
- deschutes 7y ago
  I live in a city. I don't think it should matter but I do own property in the city. I support relaxation of zoning restrictions in the same city. How is it not my backyard? I think YIMBY is totally appropriate.
- TACIXAT 7y ago
  By changing zoning rules, I'm not forcing you to upgrade your single family home. I am enabling me to do so.
  - irq11 7y ago
    You’re attempting to force everyone to live with the externalities of your decision. It’s fine to want density, but stop being dishonest about why other people might oppose what you want.
    - TACIXAT 7y ago
      I do not think that is distinct to YIMBYs. I am forced to live with the externalities of high housing prices (3400 for a 900 sq.ft 2 bed room), lower freedom to utilize personal property (land), high homeless population, and cities you need a car to live in. Both ways will have externalities. I do not think I was dishonest about why anyone would oppose this. I own property in another city and it is bat shit to me that you can not build freely on your land. The people filing lawsuits about their view or forcing environmental impact studies (when it doesn't matter) need to get smacked back to their property lines. If they don't like it, they can buy the land they want to control. If they don't have enough money for that, tough.
      - irq11 7y ago
        Once again: you’re arguing against something that I’m not saying. In fact, you’re making my point: the changes you want to make affect other people. That’s why they disagree with you. The “YIMBY movement” starts with a terrible, condescending name that implicitly mocks the other side. It’s as if the GOP changed it’s name to the “anti-libtard party”. Why should the people with the money and power listen to you when you position yourselves only as opposition to a cartoon version of what they believe? Also: every city in the world restricts what you can do with property you own. You can’t build a radioactive waste site in your backyard, or a pork rendering plant in your garage. Get over it.
        TACIXAT 7y ago
        I don't want to build a pork farm, I want some higher density housing so that I pay less in rent. This isn't an extreme thing. I am also a rich person and have heard some very dumb excuses as to why my colleagues' neighborhoods should stay zoned single family. From traffic to character. In the end, people are just preserving their home values at the expense of others and it is not a sustainable system. That motivation is misguided though, their million dollar plot of land is still going to be worth a million dollars with a duplex on it.

irq11 7y ago

It’s simply true by definition that everyone who wants to alter zoning rules - no matter how - is telling other people what should be in their backyard. To suggest otherwise is intellectually dishonest. Your drive to change building rules mostly affects other people. ...but that’s also how our system of government works, so just own it already. What the OP is pointing out is the doublespeak nature of “YIMBY” as a rallying cry. Just be honest about what you want: unless you truly only care about what you can do with your property, what you really want is for other people to stop fighting development in their backyard, too. Trying to frame this as a drive for personal choice misses the point of the debate: the other side doesn’t care what you do in your backyard, but they sure as hell don’t want it affecting theirs. (Nothing I’m saying here is advocating for a side in this argument. If you’re downvoting me reflexively because you think I’m being “NIMBY”, you’re blinded by ideology.)

deschutes 7y ago
I live in a city. I don't think it should matter but I do own property in the city. I support relaxation of zoning restrictions in the same city. How is it not my backyard? I think YIMBY is totally appropriate.
TACIXAT 7y ago
By changing zoning rules, I'm not forcing you to upgrade your single family home. I am enabling me to do so.
- irq11 7y ago
  You’re attempting to force everyone to live with the externalities of your decision. It’s fine to want density, but stop being dishonest about why other people might oppose what you want.
  - TACIXAT 7y ago
    I do not think that is distinct to YIMBYs. I am forced to live with the externalities of high housing prices (3400 for a 900 sq.ft 2 bed room), lower freedom to utilize personal property (land), high homeless population, and cities you need a car to live in. Both ways will have externalities. I do not think I was dishonest about why anyone would oppose this. I own property in another city and it is bat shit to me that you can not build freely on your land. The people filing lawsuits about their view or forcing environmental impact studies (when it doesn't matter) need to get smacked back to their property lines. If they don't like it, they can buy the land they want to control. If they don't have enough money for that, tough.
    - irq11 7y ago
      Once again: you’re arguing against something that I’m not saying. In fact, you’re making my point: the changes you want to make affect other people. That’s why they disagree with you. The “YIMBY movement” starts with a terrible, condescending name that implicitly mocks the other side. It’s as if the GOP changed it’s name to the “anti-libtard party”. Why should the people with the money and power listen to you when you position yourselves only as opposition to a cartoon version of what they believe? Also: every city in the world restricts what you can do with property you own. You can’t build a radioactive waste site in your backyard, or a pork rendering plant in your garage. Get over it.
      - TACIXAT 7y ago
        I don't want to build a pork farm, I want some higher density housing so that I pay less in rent. This isn't an extreme thing. I am also a rich person and have heard some very dumb excuses as to why my colleagues' neighborhoods should stay zoned single family. From traffic to character. In the end, people are just preserving their home values at the expense of others and it is not a sustainable system. That motivation is misguided though, their million dollar plot of land is still going to be worth a million dollars with a duplex on it.